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Posted Wed January 14, 2009 11:20 am, by Tina S. written to Home Depot, Inc.
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We remodeled our bathroom this past summer and living in a "water friendly" area (West TX) tried to do our part and purchased a water saving toilet manufactured by Glacier Bay. The problem is it takes 2 or 3 flushes to just get the waste down the toilet. How is this saving water? No kidding, just to get the paper to go down you have to flush twice. Is there a conversion kit for these toilets? It is very annoying!
Provide a certificate to replace the toilet or provide the conversion kit.
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by cissy Posted Fri January 16, 2009 @ 8:11 PM
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As with all products offered in any store there is good, better and best. Glacier Bay is good but with it's flaws. Kohler or American Standard is preferable as they offer fully glazed and wider traps. This is what will move the waste without flushing twice. Also your city/town has some control of water pressure delivered to residents. A little known fact that has a great impact especially in an older house where city owned pipes are detriorating with age. If on septic a Kohler/ American Standard is for you.
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My toilet, only 3.5 years old, is 1.6 gallons per flush (or 6 litres). It works amazingly well. Kohler brand.
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by ~Fiƒi-la-ƒlea~ Posted Thu January 15, 2009 @ 1:35 PM
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I saw an interesting tip on television the other day on how to save water in the toilet. They showed that putting a small bottle of water in the tank would cause the toilet to use that much less water per flush and save $$ over time. Haven't tried it but I think it sounds pretty good.
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This is why it is better to keep the old toilet and repair its insides rather than getting the new "Environmental" junk they sell now.
Mine may use more water, but at least I dont have clogs or floaters after a flush.
But then again the new toilets are so fancy looking.....whatever.
Good Day
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by Commander-X-23 Posted Wed January 14, 2009 @ 10:29 PM
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You bought a crappy toilet, but it is functional. Therefore I think you are stuck with it. I bought a low flow Kohler about 13 years ago. It wasn't cheap, and it does a lousy job (which I won't detail).
The only thing you may be able to do is if it has an internal baffle like the old ones did, you can cut part of it out, effectively increasing the amount of water the tank holds.
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There are superior low-flush toilets but you have to pay for them.
This reminds me of a particular "King of the Hill" episode, also set in Texas!
Maybe this is government's way of forcing us to switch from three squares to six smaller meals a day. ;)
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by SuzieCat Posted Wed January 14, 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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GRRR!!! Water saving toilets are a great concept with horrible execution. My friend had one installed a year or so ago, and removed it within six months for the very reason you cite.
I have heard of many, many complaints on these things. Manufacturers say people should use less paper. I can go into many reasons why this is not always feasible, however, will refrain.
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by Just Jeffrey Posted Wed January 14, 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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I'm not a plumber, but here's what a plumber told me a few years ago when he replaced our wonderful toilet with a "water efficient" one (required by law).
The "water saving" mode is not intended for solid waste. It's for liquid only. In other words, a single flush is intended for, well, only liquid. If you have more solid products (including paper), additional flushes are need.
In the end, unless 100% of your toilet uses contain solid matter, you WILL have water savings. In other words, flush as many times as needed, but no more than needed.
Some toilets actually two multiple levels or buttons to make this easier. I've seen this toilets in Europe, although not as much here. You use the "water" button for light flushing (liquids) and the other button for a bigger flush for solids. You can, as I said, simulate this yourself by flushing once. It is works, you've saved water. If not, flush again.
You can actually adjust some toilets, however, to use more water without any conversion kit. It involves adjusting the tank valve to fill the tank higher. My plumber said that he couldn't legally set it this way, but he was happy to show me how to do it.
Of course, some toilets may not have valves that can be set this high, such as those with smaller tanks or with specialized hardware.
If you're really into saving water, but want the maximum bowl cleaning, consider a power/vacuum assisted flush. These are the ones that give a great big whoosh when you flush. Some require electricity, some don't. They cost significantly more and, if you have an electric model, you need to consider the additional environmental consequences. Maintenance of these toilets also, I hear, tends to be higher.
In any case, what you have now isn't broken. It's simply setup to give the user the decision making power as to how much water to use. If your old toilet was old, even 2 (or 3) flushes of this new toilet may STILL use less water than your old one. However, if you don't want to have to make a case-by-case decision, then you'll have to settle for using more water overall... or go with a power-assist flush.
Before you give up and replace the toilet (I doubt Home Depot will pay for the plumber to do the replacement), at least look into adjusting the valve to let more water into the tank. Maybe this'll make a difference.
Last tip from my plumber: they still sell water-wasting toilets in various parts of the world. There are people that will sneak in illegal toilets from Mexico and whatnot. Not that he or I recommend you do such a thing... but apparently some people will find people to sell and install these toilets.
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