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by Alley Posted Mon October 30, 2006 @ 10:02 PM
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I'd love to know how the subject went from the canon repair to sexual assault.. yea im too lazy to read all the comments
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by Venice~PFB Site Moderator Posted Sat October 28, 2006 @ 4:07 AM
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How on earth did this happen? Why is there such a terrible misunderstanding about the reason for needing moderators? And, above all, why in the world would anyone suddenly be afraid to speak their mind? Could someone please explain to me what is going on.
I don't understand how this got so blown out of proportion, and for the life of me, I can't understand how the regular commenters ever got the impression that they had to walk on eggshells. That's not the way I understood it at all. I just assumed everyone realized who the new rules were meant for. Why are you all taking it so personally? If we're going to fight amongst ourselves, then the trolls have won. Congratulations.
It's 4:00 a.m., I can't sleep, and after making the mistake of looking at this letter, I may never sleep again.
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My take
by SueNY Sat October 28, 2006 @ 5:04 PM
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Excuse me?
by Beth - PFB Site Admin Sat October 28, 2006 @ 9:27 PM
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Beth...
by Starlight22203-- #1 Commentor as named by Erik! Fri October 27, 2006 @ 4:16 PM
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you just did, starlight. in fact it looks like a pretty strong critique to me. and, oh my gosh, dont look now but i dont see anyone rushing to yank your comment.
there have been plenty of people who've made their opinions know in the original thread where we asked for thoughts on community moderation. and a lot of those comments were quite strong. and none of them were yanked either.
so can we stop all this walking on eggshells nonsense?
your, and everyone else's right to speak their mind hasnt been stifled. if there's folks out there who are upset with my comment below, they are perfectly welcome to comment on it. the only thing they cant do is call people names and use profanity.
ive said it before and i'll say it again...i know how ive treated each and every person on this site any time ive come into contact with them whether it be via email or publicly on the site.
if you or anyone else wants to judge me, judge away.
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by Erik - PFB Site Moderator Posted Wed October 25, 2006 @ 9:49 AM
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As everyone already knows, the title of this letter got changed. We apologize for having to do that, but certain words are just a bit too loaded to be thrown around casually, even if written in a moment of anger.
What we didn't want to do, though, was delete this letter entirely. Other than the unfortunate choice in words, the rest of the complaint is legitimate, and I'm happy to hear that it was resolved. It is also commendable that Mark apologized for the term that he used. I have no doubt that he regretted his choice in words.
However, I don't want anyone to think that those of who were angered by the title to think that you weren't justified in being upset. You certainly were. Jeffrey has a very good blog entry that he wrote about the usage of the word "rape" in complaint letters. I agree with him completely. As bad as any consumer complaint may be, it is still not anywhere near comparable to being raped. A rape is a despicable, heinous crime that most people can only hope to never have to experience in their lifetime. It is not poor customer service.
So I apologize to Mark if some of the comments here were upsetting to him, but I still feel that those who made them had a right to do so. But what's been said has already been said on the subject, so I would appreciate if any further comments on this letter be about Mark's complaint, and not about the "rape" usage. As far as I'm concerned, that issue has been dealt with already.
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Thank you Erik
by Starlight22203-- #1 Commentor as named by Erik! Wed October 25, 2006 @ 10:08 AM
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well..
by Mark L Wed October 25, 2006 @ 3:59 PM
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ah yes
by Mark L Wed October 25, 2006 @ 7:53 PM
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blogging
by Mark L Wed October 25, 2006 @ 7:55 PM
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thanks
by Mark L Wed October 25, 2006 @ 6:53 PM
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Personally...
by Venice~PFB Site Moderator Thu October 26, 2006 @ 4:02 PM
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It's ironic
by Venice~PFB Site Moderator Thu October 26, 2006 @ 5:04 PM
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Correction
by Venice~PFB Site Moderator Thu October 26, 2006 @ 5:18 PM
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Absolutely.
by Beth - PFB Site Admin Fri October 27, 2006 @ 3:26 PM
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by Gino Version 1.2 Posted Tue October 24, 2006 @ 11:16 PM
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Well since Mark was nice enough to come back and tell us they didn't charge him this ONE TIME free... I think we should expect a "Thank You" note written in a more civil manner to Cannon after dissing them in such a foul, uncouth manner in a public forum, and causing US to read it!!
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excuse me!
by Mark L Wed October 25, 2006 @ 6:50 PM
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You're welcome.
by Erik - PFB Site Moderator Wed October 25, 2006 @ 9:24 AM
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Bend over. Let someone forcibly assault you.
Then decide whether you want to use the word "rape" in such a manner ever again.
I hope your entire post gets deleted by site moderators.
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Thank you Peregrina
by Starlight22203-- #1 Commentor as named by Erik! Tue October 24, 2006 @ 11:35 PM
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by Jeffrey Posted Tue October 24, 2006 @ 9:50 AM
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"rape their customers"
Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
Mark, you may be upset, but sexual assault is not the right image for a business letter, y'know.
Of course, since you were a repair tech, isn't this something you could do yourself? I'm no camera expert, but a bottle of cleaner, a soft cloth, maybe a brush... these can be purchased at a camera store for what, under $10?
Which, of course, backs up your point. But if it was something that you could do in 10 minutes for less than $10, why even bother with Canon? Claims of "free" or no, I can't imagine mailing my camera away if I could just do it myself.
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sorry
by Mark Lynn Tue October 24, 2006 @ 2:19 PM
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Mark
by Jeffrey Tue October 24, 2006 @ 2:50 PM
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Mark
by Venice~PFB Site Moderator Tue October 24, 2006 @ 3:32 PM
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wow!
by Mark Lynn Tue October 24, 2006 @ 8:28 PM
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Mods
by Mark Lynn Tue October 24, 2006 @ 8:33 PM
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oh well.
by Mark L Tue October 24, 2006 @ 8:51 PM
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I have never EVER
by Starlight22203-- #1 Commentor as named by Erik! Tue October 24, 2006 @ 10:47 PM
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Again Chris...
by Starlight22203-- #1 Commentor as named by Erik! Tue October 24, 2006 @ 11:15 PM
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:)
by Mark L Wed October 25, 2006 @ 7:06 PM
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Nichole
by Rock Star Amanda Mon October 30, 2006 @ 11:28 AM
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and as usual,
by Rock Star Amanda Mon October 30, 2006 @ 12:19 PM
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Blog entry
by Jeffrey Wed October 25, 2006 @ 6:53 AM
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If you were told by someone at Canon the repair would be free then they will likely take care of it.
Cleanings are normally NEVER free. It's like changing an air filter in your car or an oil change. Granted the price may be higher, but I am sure the cleaning is done by a skilled technician, not an oil change mechanic.
If I recall this cleaning is a requirement on all SLR digital camera, regardless of the brand...
Sounds like it is general maint to me.
I have to raise a question, if you were a repair tech for them, then why didn't you just clean it yourself, especially if its that easy and quick to do, rather then pay to ship it etc... ? Something smells fishy about your story... Just my thoughts.
As an aside, prices are going up for service because the prices of the products are going down. When companies make cheap products, quality companies like Canon, have to compete thus making up for the price difference somewhere normally in repair. This is industry-wide in the electronic market.
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hmmm :)
by Mark Lynn Tue October 24, 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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