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Apple's refusal to work with Napster

Posted Sun December 31, 2006 12:00 pm, by William E. written to Apple Computer Inc

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I recently was given an iPod for the holiday season. I had an iPod several years ago and was extremely pleased with it. After setting up the product on my laptop, I attempted to upload the songs I already had to my iPod. Because I purchased and/or downloaded these songs via Napster, apparently the iPod will not interface with the songs whatsoever.

After doing some digging and reading posts on the Napster message board from SEVERAL angry iPod/Napster users, I've learned that Apple flat out refuses to work with Napster to make their devices compatible with Napster's product. To that end, my iPod is now little more than an over-priced paperweight. I have over 400 songs on my computer, most of which cannot be played on my iPod because Apple would rather keep their users under a monopoly, FORCING them to use Apple's mediocre iTunes program rather than giving them the freedom to use the program of THEIR choice. It's not enough that you overcharge for your product; now you want to govern where and how we obtain our music.

It's funny because Microsoft forces users using passive/aggressive techniques to use the software that THEY want you to use; and Apple, supposedly the antithesis of Microsoft, is NO BETTER.

Get off of your high horse, thinking you're the best thing since sliced bread, and actually WORK with companies like Napster so that the music that users download from them will interface with your product. This is a free country; quit trying to make decisions for your users and give us some OPTIONS.


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by Tina Wall Posted Wed January 3, 2007 @ 7:22 AM

It's actually Napster's copy protection that the iPod won't play. "As
with video, any audio file that you can play in iTunes will play on
your iPod, including MP3, AIFF, WAV (uncompressed), AAC, and Audible
(.aa) files."

iPod 101: Which Files Work With iPod and iTunes
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304784

iPod: Frequently Asked Questions
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60920

IF the files that were downloaded from Napster were just .wma files
instead of protected .wma files, you could convert the files to a
supported format simply by importing them into iTunes.

Try complaining to the right people next time.

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by Prfctchins Posted Tue January 2, 2007 @ 11:32 AM

See if this works..I've recently had similar problems with my first
iPod..Something was not going right & I could not download the wav
files or something,i don't remember..Anyway..Get a blank re-writable
disc.Download all your music to discs.Then Re-uplaod them through the
iTunes part that goes with the iPod.I had to rename all the
titles/artists,but I was able to hear them with my iPod!! Hope it
helps..

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Good tip! by Jeffrey Tue January 2, 2007 @ 12:07 PM

by Casmly Posted Tue January 2, 2007 @ 10:57 AM

I personally see nothing wrong with what Apple is doing. There are
plenty of video players and learning games out there for kids right
now that only accept one type of cartridge. If I were to use your
line of thinking, then I should be able to go out and purchase a new
V-Smile for my child that allows me to continue using my old Leap Pad
cartridges. Doesn't make good business sence.

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by Jeffrey Posted Tue January 2, 2007 @ 9:18 AM

The iPod works for DMR-free music in MP3, WAV, and a few other
formats.

What the iPod doesn't do is work with DRM (that's "Digital Rights
Management") encrypted products in any format other than Apple's own.

While we're at it, my old Creative player didn't work with music
purchased at the iTunes music store. Or Napster. Or any number of
other DRM-schemes.

I also have a Canon printer. It won't accept Lexmark printer
cartridges.

While it's be nice if every music player was licensed to use any
DRM-scheme, it's a sad fact that each manufacturer needs to negotiate
terms with each DRM-owner. In this case, Apple has made a business
decision to not license DRM from anyone. It's working for them, so
there's little chance of them stopping. Short of them losing some
sort of lawsuit.

In addition the channeling your anger at Apple, contact Napster and
ask that they provide you with a DRM-free version of the music. After
all, you paid for it. My guess is that they will refuse.

As I posted elsewhere, if your morals permit, you might want to seek
out a (potentially illegal) DRM-breaking program.

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by JuliePie Posted Mon January 1, 2007 @ 6:44 PM

That's odd. When I downloaded iTunes, it searched for any mp3 or wave
files I had on my computer, and put them in my iTunes. This includes
mp3s from all other sources, including Napster and CDs that I
uploaded.

Just make sure your Napster files are in My Documents/My Music.

Good luck

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by PFBSUCKS Posted Mon January 1, 2007 @ 2:52 PM

Ok... i wont comment on your attitude at the end...but some programs
arent compatible with certain things. And did you ever think it would
be NAPSTER that doesn't want to work with APPLE? hmmm... get off YOUR
high horse pal.

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Get off your high horse! by Adam W Mon January 1, 2007 @ 5:09 PM


Disagree with both of you. by Courtney C Mon January 1, 2007 @ 6:07 PM

So you are in favor of Monopolies?? by Adam W Mon January 1, 2007 @ 9:19 PM


Hmmm by Chris M Mon January 1, 2007 @ 9:37 PM

I don't think they are going to win by Adam W Mon January 1, 2007 @ 10:33 PM


lol by Courtney C Tue January 2, 2007 @ 2:09 AM

I didn't use the term monopoly by Adam W Tue January 2, 2007 @ 3:27 AM

You mean like BETA video tapes? n/t by Davealicious Tue January 2, 2007 @ 4:28 PM

care to elaborate on that? by Adam W Wed January 3, 2007 @ 2:03 AM


This story didn't have very much information on the lawsuit by LadyMac Tue January 2, 2007 @ 8:39 AM

Okay Alley... n/t by CrusadingStarlight22203 Wed January 3, 2007 @ 10:04 AM

by AuntiLili Posted Mon January 1, 2007 @ 11:22 AM

I recently purchased an IPod. I have over 400 songs on my computer,
some downloaded through LimeWire some downloaded straight from a cd.
My IPod works fine with the LimeWire music. Did you try having ITunes
import your Napster music and letting it convert to ITunes format.
Then it should work with no problem from their. It is true that you
will not be able to download onto the IPod directly from you Napster
program but you should be albe to convert the music to ITunes format
and ready for downloading.

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how? by stylz1972 Wed January 10, 2007 @ 10:31 AM

by Gretchen Shiveley Posted Sun December 31, 2006 @ 10:40 PM

While we are discussing i-tunes, can anyone tell me why when I try to
run the setup program, it says it is not a valid Win32 application? I
know this is a weird place to ask such a question, but I can't seem to
get a straight answer from anyone else!

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You might try to redownload it. by Tina N Mon January 1, 2007 @ 10:34 AM


Re: Apple's refusal to work with Napster by Tina N Sun December 31, 2006 @ 10:16 AM

I don't think he's being cheap by Rapunzel676 Sun December 31, 2006 @ 8:43 PM


Napster by Chris M Sun December 31, 2006 @ 10:32 PM


He has to pay for them again... by Tina N Sun December 31, 2006 @ 10:58 PM


Tina, that's nuts by Chris M Sun December 31, 2006 @ 11:34 PM


He didn't buy the ipod. He received it as a gift n/t by Venice Mon January 1, 2007 @ 12:35 AM

by Crusading Brennie Posted Mon January 1, 2007 @ 12:39 AM

The Ipod is a well established product in the marketplace and by no
means a "fad". Fad of course is defined by a temporary fashion, device
or notion that is enthusiasticly followed by a large group.*
Considering that the Ipod was a breakthrough product that has been on
the market for many years now and has demonstrated, for the most part,
durabilty, convinence and user friendliness, I don't think it
qualifies.

If you would, can you name the brand of Mp3 player that you are
purchasing for your daughter so that I may do a quick comparison of
the two products?

I also like to know why is it that on virtually every letter you
conveniently have some little life story to spice up your post with
experience? It's starting to get a little old.

*Def from Dictionary.com

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by Courtney C Posted Mon January 1, 2007 @ 5:07 AM

Tina is right that there are dozens on the market that will work with
Napster: Dell, Samsung, Gateway, Creative, are countless others. Apple
made the decision to close itself off from all digital music services,
not just Napster, which makes the "is it legal or illegal" question
moot. However, this isn't going to change, it's a decision that Apple
made, so it's unfortunately just one more thing that an educated
(educated in the PRODUCT, not in general. back down, wolves) consumer
needs to know before purchasing an MP3 player. And even if he didn't
buy it, he could have chosen to return it and buy another brand, no?

BTW:
1.Creative Lab Zen micro- cheaper than IPOD, 1 gig more space, better
reviews in general, works.. with napster.
2. IRiver H10- 2 gigs bigger than IPOD, cheaper, brilliant sound,
batteries run out a little quickly, but works with IPOD
3. Creative Lab V- 30 gigs (25 more than IPOD!), MUCH more expensive
than IPOD, but kills Apple on video quality and sound quality.

Just a few, but ones I'd buy before buyiing an IPOD anyday.
Personally, I own a Sandisk, 1 gb, POS, but that's because I'm poor :P
At least it's pink...

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Courtnet - Thank you by Chris M Mon January 1, 2007 @ 10:27 AM


LOL, Courtney... We're not "poor", exactly... by Tina N Mon January 1, 2007 @ 10:32 AM


Thanks for the comparison (n/t) by Crusading Brennie Tue January 2, 2007 @ 12:57 AM




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