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Poor Warranty Coverage by John Deere & Co.

Posted Thu May 31, 2007 12:00 pm, by Jerry S. written to Deere & Company

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I have a snowblower made by "Frontier" that has a "Briggs & Stratton" engine. I was using the snowblower during a snow storm when all of a sudden the engine started to knock, and then the engine froze. I contacted the "John Deere" dealer (where I purchased the machine). They picked up the machine and took it into the shop. They informed me that a engine oil fill plug had come out, and that it would not be covered under the warranty because it was owner neglect. I didn't even know that there was an oil filler plug there! The oil filler plug was located in front and under the starter motor. The owners manual doesn't even talk about an oil filler plug being located there. In fact the only thing the manual talks about (and shows a picture) is to use the dipstick tube as the place to pour oil into the engine.

The John Deere dealer said that I should have seen the oil spraying out of the engine. I don't know if you've ever used a snowblower during a snow storm, but there's no way you'd see oil coming out of the engine, because of the snow blowing in your face.

There would be no reason for me to remove the oil filler plug, because the owners manual says (and shows) that oil should be added through the dipstick tube. And there sure would be no reason for me to remove the oil filler plug just so I could ruin a perfectly good snowblower, specially during a snowstorm.

I would like "John Deere" to stand behind their engine. The dealer had the engine rebuilt at a cost of $446.00. I was told that it was to be rebuilt so it would be covered by warranty. If I knew that it was not going to be covered by warranty, why wasn't I given a choice of rebuilding or purchasing a new motor. There can't be that much of a difference in cost.

I feel that if the owners manual doesn't even talk about oil filler plugs and doesn't even show their location, then that should be covered by warranty if they were to come out.


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by The Manager Posted Wed October 3, 2007 @ 6:57 PM

For those of you that are interested in the outcome of this warranty
problem!! I received the snowblower back from the dealer yesterday
(10/2/07) Frontier the manufacture of the snowblower for John Deere,
paid for all the repairs. The snowblower looks and runs like it just
came off the showroom floor.

Thank you Frontier!!

Jerry

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by Rhet Canter Posted Mon June 4, 2007 @ 2:59 PM

For $446.00 you can go out and just buy a new one. Any machine,
regardless of the owners manual has oil related issues and plugs and
holes and all types of things that make it work. So it's your
responsibility to keep it maintained and in good working order. If
everyone who had issues with their John Deer products expected them to
fix them for free, they wouldn't make any money. And why are you now
just getting around to writing your letter? The snow season is long
over? That makes me a little suspicious!

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by The Manager Posted Tue June 5, 2007 @ 8:44 AM

Up until a month ago, I was still under the assumption that it was
going to be covered under warranty. I say this because after they had
the engine rebuilt, I went to pick the machine up, but was told that
they couldn't release it because they received a Safety Recall from
John Deere because of a chock & carburator problem that was causing
some to catch fire. So they were told not to release any machine that
they had in. It was after this recall that I received the bill.

That's the cause for the delay in doing anything.

Jerry

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by RedheadWGlasses Posted Fri June 1, 2007 @ 8:44 PM

"The owners manual doesn't even talk about an oil filler plug being
located there. In fact the only thing the manual talks about (and
shows a picture) is to use the dipstick tube as the place to pour oil
into the engine."

If this is true, then I am completely on the OP's side. If the
owner's manual isn't going to be more helpful, if this isn't important
enough to include in that book, then how can they expect the
owner/operator to take proper care of the machine?

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It seems odd that minimal maintenenace by donno Sat June 2, 2007 @ 12:23 AM


Owner's manual by RedheadWGlasses Sat June 2, 2007 @ 10:42 AM


It seems to me by Venice Sat June 2, 2007 @ 5:54 PM


by rachelr Posted Fri June 1, 2007 @ 6:39 PM

Did you check the oil level BEFORE using your blower? Generally in
the user manual, it will indicate that the oil level should be checked
before each use. You can also try contacting Briggs & Stratton
directly regarding this issue. I have worked with them at my job
before (regarding warranty issues), and sometimes they are willing to
make exceptions for some situations. If you checked the oil before
using it, and the oil plug came out during use, they might be willing
to cut you some slack. Good luck!

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by Bill R Posted Fri June 1, 2007 @ 11:31 AM

Jerry S.,
Sorry for your dilemna.
I had something simular happen to me on a brand new Sears mower a few
years ago and they replaced it...no questions asked. In my case the
tip stick had come loose and I failed to see the leakage.
However, in your case, the oil filter plug is for draining ( as you
found out ) while the manual states to fill through the dip stick
hole.
That being said I see that as the operators duty to check that it is
secure prior, during and after use.
Do stop back and let us know how this works itself out.
BillR.

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You misread what I said by The Manager Sat June 2, 2007 @ 3:01 PM


this is the one that came out. by Bill R Sun June 3, 2007 @ 4:26 PM

by Lee H. Posted Fri June 1, 2007 @ 10:22 AM

It is ultimately the owner's responsibility to make sure the engine is
supplied with enough oil to run correctly.

In this instance either the oil was dropped prior to using the blower,
which would mean the oil was never checked prior to use or, the plug
came loose during the use. Snow storm or not, you should absolutely
notice the difference between the white snow and oil content coming
from the engine.

Now consider the circumstances after the fact. After the problem was
diagnosed, Jerry is told the cost of service, rebuilding the engine.
Jerry didn't ask for the cost of just replacing the engine, but
instead gives them the go ahead to perform the service. This alone
removes any claim for warranty coverage. Warranty coverage is handled
in specific ways, possibly not rebuilding the engine through someone
who is NOT factory authorized.

As such, any claim to warranty service is absolutely forfeited.

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Your lack of communication skills has caused you to make asinine assumptions by Venice Fri June 1, 2007 @ 3:30 PM

Maybe not clearly stated by The Manager Sat June 2, 2007 @ 3:10 PM


Jerry, I just read your original post and I had no problem following anything you said. by Gino Sun June 3, 2007 @ 1:06 AM

My next step by The Manager Sun June 3, 2007 @ 9:31 AM


I just offered advice based on what the letter stated.... by Gino Sun June 3, 2007 @ 4:20 PM


I appreciate your acknowledgment. by Lee H. Wed June 6, 2007 @ 6:02 AM

Recall by The Manager Wed June 6, 2007 @ 10:10 AM


So what you were shown tells you the company contacted the service center by Gino Thu June 7, 2007 @ 3:14 AM

by Peregrina Posted Thu May 31, 2007 @ 10:37 PM

Why in the world were you using a snow blower DURING a snow storm? Did
you think the wind needed help in blowing the snow about?

Admittedly, I live in an area that gets snow only every couple years,
but I would think common sense would rule out using the snow blower
DURING a storm, so the clerks comment that you should have seen the
oil coming from the machine is correct.

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New England girl here! by The New and Improved Brenda Thu May 31, 2007 @ 10:54 PM


New York girl here! by Venice Thu May 31, 2007 @ 10:59 PM


Not a New Englander by BellaSera Fri June 1, 2007 @ 9:32 AM

Another NE girl here... by Angelic Princess:) Fri June 1, 2007 @ 11:21 AM


The clerk was an idiot - another New Englander here by The Original Nethead Fri June 1, 2007 @ 12:09 AM


Another Nu Yawker.. by Harleycat Fri June 1, 2007 @ 8:10 AM


I think some of my neighbors like it too by Venice Fri June 1, 2007 @ 3:48 PM


He's Like a Big Kid.. by Harleycat Fri June 1, 2007 @ 4:33 PM


I Love going on snow adventures by Venice Fri June 1, 2007 @ 4:45 PM


Where I live, we get many 4"+ storms each year by donno Fri June 1, 2007 @ 7:55 PM


That's what we do here too n/t by - Leanne- Sat June 2, 2007 @ 11:03 AM


Crazy PA weather! by melissa savelloni Mon June 4, 2007 @ 1:20 AM


We live by by - Leanne- Mon June 4, 2007 @ 1:44 PM




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