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Abuse of ETF

Posted Mon June 18, 2007 4:53 pm, by alistair t. written to T-Mobile USA, Inc.

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I entered into a two-year contract with T-Mobile a few years ago with few complaints. This plan was for two lines (family plan). When the contract expired, I was very diligent about not entering a new contract, as it is important to me to be able to go where the best technology is without penalty.

A temporary life change in early November, 2006, required us to use the phones more, and a call to T-mobile assisted us increasing the plan without entering into a new contract. The discussion with customer service assured me that we would be able to return to the old (cheaper) plan with no problems and without entering into a new contract - which I did online in mid December, 2006. I did NOT purchase any subsidized phones, nor did I pick a better plan than would trigger a new contract, I simply selected the 800 minute 59.99 plan and did NOT agree to a contract.

Recently, to take advantage of faster data rates, I purchased a new phone with another carrier and had one of the phone numbers ported to the new carrier. T-mobile has now charged me a $200 early termination fee, and also informs me that the other line is under contract and will incur another $200 fee when I decide to port that number over as well.

While ETFs are understandable when phones and/or service has been subsidized in some way, however they are also abused as in my case. T-mobile has absolutely NO RIGHT to charge me $400 for cancellation of this account.

1) Rebate the account (*****8145) $200 for the erroneous termination fee.

2) Remove the contract from the account.


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by alistair thurber Posted Tue July 3, 2007 @ 7:58 PM

I received another call yesterday from customer service. T-Mobile has
now owned up to the fact that their computers should NOT have renewed
this contract and that I was correct all along. This is unfortunately
too little / too late, as I was already forced to cancel the account
and lose the phone number.

The language in their TOS might elude to the fact that they can renew
your contract whenever a change of service is made, however there are
certainly conflicting views and results on this.

They have different promotional plans that are clearly marked as
requiring a contract, with less attractive plans that do not require a
contract.

Again, make changes over the phone and keep documentation on who you
spoke with, and you should be OK in making changes to an account
without extending or renewing a contract!

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by alistair thurber Posted Thu June 21, 2007 @ 8:52 AM

All:

Thanks for all the feedback. My advice for anyone who wants to remain
out of contract but would like to alter their plan, is to only do it
over the phone, through a representative, with thorough explanations
of what ramifications will occur by altering the plan. Take good
notes (date, rep name, #)

I am happy to report that as a result of this letter, T-Mobile swiftly
refunded the $200 ETF (my second positive result from planet
feedback).

The gentleman who contacted me would not remove the contract from the
account. The "compromise" was to cancel the account on the spot (thus
losing the second phone number) and avoid an additional $200 fee.

I accepted this offer rather than stay with T-Mobile. While I am
content to have been given a rebate, I will always take the position
that I was completely swindled into a contract that I never agreed to,
and that I should never have had to compromise on this.

It would have been a much better gesture for them to have simply
removed the contract from the account as I had asked.

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I'm Glad.. by Harleycat Thu June 21, 2007 @ 1:11 PM

by Harleycat Posted Wed June 20, 2007 @ 10:44 AM

I pulled up a copy of a personal Verizon contract I have on my work
computer that people must sign when they leave the firm and transfer
their phone to private billing.

Here's how they address the extension of the contract issue.

"If at anytime you change your service you'll be subject to any
requirement, such as a new minimum term, we set for that change"

I'm sure every carrier has similar wording on their initial contracts.
This pretty much solves the issue of contract extension and as to
whether people are told or not told they are extending the contract.
They don't have to tell you because it's already been addressed.

So, even though they waived the extension in November 2006, when the
OP changed his plan again in December 2006, the carrier chose to
exercise that clause of the contract and extended the minimum term.

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Re: Abuse of ETF by Phyllis Franklin Tue June 19, 2007 @ 7:21 PM

by Harleycat Posted Wed June 20, 2007 @ 9:13 AM

This is how it is all over the wireless world. It is a revenue
generating thing for all carriers. Unfortunately, when you first sign
up for service, the subject of ETF's is addressed. The contract you
sign also addresses the issue of extending contracts if you change
your plan and the fact that no wireless carrier guarantees coverage.

These are huge corporations with teams of lawyers who draw up these
contracts to address every issue.

I handle about 2500 cell phones for my firm. I just tried to cancel
two of them and was advised that I would incur ETF's on them. Nobody
gets cut any slack. It doesn't matter if you pay your bill on time
and it doesn't matter if your bill is $50 per month or $100K per
month.

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by DragonflygrrlTheGreat Posted Tue June 19, 2007 @ 3:42 PM

The best thing I could suggest would be to call customer care, and ask
the representative to check the notes on your account. Agreeing to
change a rate plan without requiring a contract extension is unusual,
so the rep that did that should have put notes in to that effect. In
general, however, a rate plan change to certain plans will result in
an automatic contract extension, and there is a whole script which the
rep reads to that effect.

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by Lee H. Posted Tue June 19, 2007 @ 7:44 AM

Okay, here's a general question for anyone which may have a legal
background to answer.

How can this subscriber, or anyone else for that matter, be held to a
contract or contract extension without clearing signing such an
agreement?

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Contracts.. by Harleycat Tue June 19, 2007 @ 8:38 AM


I appreciate the reply. by Lee H. Wed June 20, 2007 @ 7:07 AM


When you first sign up... by Harleycat Wed June 20, 2007 @ 9:09 AM


Agreed, but... by Lee H. Thu June 21, 2007 @ 12:57 AM


Lee.. by Harleycat Thu June 21, 2007 @ 1:07 PM

Contracts do not normally extend because you change a rate plan. by dmcgrady Sun August 16, 2009 @ 1:13 AM

by S. Brown Posted Mon June 18, 2007 @ 6:59 PM

ANY change to an existing plan, expired or not, will result in the
renewal and/or extension of the contract. The new plan doesn't have
to be "better" to trigger a new contract nor does the customer have to
purchase any "subsidized phones". Even if you call T-Mobile and tell
them to move you to a less expensive plan - - bingo - - your contract
is automatically extended. So you may not think you agreed to a new
contract but your actions say otherwise.

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Online by CrazyRedHead Mon June 18, 2007 @ 9:28 PM




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