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Overdraft charges/poor customer care
Posted Tue October 23, 2007 7:38 pm, by Tess S. written to Washington Mutual
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I had my first child in June of 2006. Consequently, things were a little crazy for a while, and I didn't have the ability to stay on top of my bills the way I did before. I got a few overdraft charges starting at the end of September 2006, which then snowballed on top of each other like they do when the overdraft charges themselves cause insufficient funds. By the time I fixed the problem (from home, since I wasn't working), I had $125 in overdraft charges. I called multiple times and visited my local WAMU to try and get at least some of those charges credited, to no avail. Having been with WAMU since it was American Savings, over 10 years, with NEVER ONE overdraft charge, I am depressed at such a horendous excuse for customer service. This on top of charging me to use other bank's ATMs, regardles of that bank charges, AND the fact that all of their regions are on different computer systems (my husband and I cannot access one another's accounts), it makes me cringe whenever I see the billboards advertising WAMU's scores in customer service surveys. They would not get a positive score from me.
I am currently researching other financial institutions, most notably online banks and credit unions, to move my money to. If I do not get an acceptable credit to the fees I have been charged, I will be moving the financial accounts of my entire household elsewhere.
Please credit at least three of the five $25 overdraft fees I was charged for a total of $75 within the next 30 days.
Thank you for your time.
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by NICHOLAI Posted Thu November 1, 2007 @ 5:37 PM
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Wow, your mad because your bank charged you for overdrafts because you weren't responsible for your money? Having a child has nothing to do with this. Millions of people have children and don't bounce their checkbooks like that. You are just looking for an easy way out and are using your child as a way to get of your irresponsibility. That is sad. ONe suggestion - Just get off your lazy butt and get a job!!!!
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The only comment i have for you is even if you do decide to go to another bank/credit union, you still need to pay your fees. If you do not, your account will get charged off, closed, and your fees will get sent to collections. Once it does that, it will show up in CHEXsystems that every single bank uses to help decide whether or not to let you open an account there. If you owe even a small amount to another bank they will refuse you service, and then were will you be? And they dont come off for... 2 years i think? (Chexsystems does not work the same way credit reports do, but they are similar) Not only that but the collections WILL show up on your credit report as well.
125 is a small price to pay to keep your credit in good standing, whether you choose to remain at WAMU or not.
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by Mike Z. Posted Thu October 25, 2007 @ 1:12 PM
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Wow, if I had known having a baby could possibly get me out of financial responsibility I would have had about 14 kids by now. By that time I could possibly be off the hook for my mortgage.
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by justforlaughs Posted Thu October 25, 2007 @ 12:39 AM
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You must be kidding me!!! I am sorry, but since when not taking responsibility for yourself is "in"? People like you seriously just make me angry. People like you who don't take responsibility for your own actions simply don't deserve anything. Instead of demanding refunds, maybe you should take a hard look at yourself and realize why you got there to begin with. Yes you have kids, but hey I go to school full time and I pay it on my own...does that make it ok for me to just run over my balance at the bank and demand a refund for it? I think not!!! So stop complaining, pay off your debt, learn from it and never do it again. It's that simple. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and this time you actually have to! By the way, why did it take you a year to actually complain about this? Is it because now you are tight for money again and this is the easy way out? Seriously, if they do refund ANYTHING it'd be out of their COURTESY....not your demand. Read the terms before you agree to something and start acting like an adult.
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Exactly!
by Adam D Thu October 25, 2007 @ 9:51 AM
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Thank you
by justforlaughs Thu October 25, 2007 @ 11:01 AM
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Amen!
by NICHOLAI Thu November 1, 2007 @ 5:39 PM
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by Firebrat Tracy Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 7:33 PM
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I have to agree with Erik. I've been in the situation before, but the big difference is, I made it clear that I was aware they owed me nothing, that they were MY mistakes, and was polite and agreeable.
I got every one of them waived.
When I seperated from my husband at age 34, I'm embarassed to say I had never handled my finances until that point. Needless to say, it did not go well for the first year or so.
Divorce is a life changing situation, just like yours, when you had your child.
The difference is, I accepted personal responsibility that it was MY mistake..I didn't blame it on my situation or threaten to take my business elsewhere. I know, without a doubt, that it was this attitude that got my fees waived.
Perhaps next time you should try it.
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And Erik
by donno Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:38 PM
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by pam none Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 7:31 PM
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Bad customer service because of a problem you created yourself?
Brother.
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by S. Brown Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 2:55 PM
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Baby or not, you over-drew your account over a year ago and were charged the applicable overdraft fees. You asked Wamu to issue a refund and they said no.
You are now demanding a credit for half of those fees or you are going to change banks. If I were you I'd continue my research and move my money because I seriously doubt that Wamu is going to cave into your demand.
Nice try - - time to move on.
Oh - - and by the way - - Wamu's high customer service survey scores are from satisfied customers who properly manage their accounts and stay on top of their bills.
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by Evil Genius Erik Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 2:55 PM
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Looks like you've got them over a barrel. But here's the problem. You have no bullets in your gun.
The bottom line is that you spent money you didn't have, regardless of the underlying situation. Yes, overdraft fees suck. I've had them myself, but I have managed to get them refunded to me. And I'm perfectly willing to tell you my secret, if you want it. Go grab a pencil and paper. You'll want to write this down. Ready?
I didn't threaten them.
We all make mistakes with our finances from time to time. Banks understand that. So if you were to go to them and say that you had some unforeseen problems and accidentally overdrafted and you're really sorry about it and, if it's not too much of a problem, would they consider waiving some of the fees just this once? That's perfectly reasonable, and they might just go for it. They might not too, but you never know until you try.
On the other hand, if you go in with all guns blazing and complaining about everything that you hate about the bank and that it's all their fault that you didn't plan ahead adequately and they better give you your money back right now or you'll take my money elsewhere, what do you think is going to happen? Do you really think they're gonna go out of their way to help you? Why should they? You're already ungrateful for any help they could provide you, and what's to stop you from doing this again in the future? Nothing. Why should they show you any leeway? You're not giving them any.
In this life, you get back what you give. You're an adult now. With that comes responsibilities, and when life throws you curve-balls, you need to know how to handle it. This is not how an adult handles their problems. If you want them to extend you some courtesy, try showing them some first.
Best of luck to you.
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by JuliePie Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 2:04 PM
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You have a kid. That means you are a big, grown-up person now.
Take some personal responsibility. It doesn't hurt to ask the bank to credit some of your NSF fees, but they don't have to. And when they don't, you need to pull up your big girl pants and move on.
You can move to another bank, but you will find that all banks treat NSFs the same way. Just look at some of the other letters on this site. Everyone is a special snowflake that thinks the bank shouldn't charge THEM for overdrafts.
Good luck with your baby.
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by burkhagirl Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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I've never had a kid. Congratulations on the joyful event you're not the only one with a life that gets in the way. During the space of one year I've had a few unjoyful health experiences. I had abdominal surgery (14" scar, many weeks recovery) and a three-week stint in the psych ward. While in the hospital the second time, I had a treatment that wiped out parts of my memory and severely affected my short-term memory/concentration. Knowing that I might miss something because of poor health or poor memory, I tried to organize my finances to be idiot-proof so that I could be distracted by my life, pay my bills and not run up fees. And guess what? I wasn't perfect. So I had to pay the fee for a late credit card payment. Too bad, so sad, my responsibility.
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by Adam D Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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It's called planning ahead. If your having a baby (generally you know at least a FEW days before it comes out) maybe you should evaluate your financial situation. In this case, you spent money you did not have. Your waiting a year to complain about it, and to top all that off, you can be held criminally liable for bad checks, because you did not have the funds, yet you decide to post that on a public site, good for you!
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by joe bubby Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:24 AM
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Let me give you a tip: Do not read the post from the person a couple of posts down unless you are not interested in the concept of personal responsibility, and think your inability to balance your bank account is a good reason to go to the BBB or file a lawsuit. (LMAO at that one!!!)
Let me give you another tip: Don't spend money you don't actually have and you won't have to worry about overdraft fees, ever. It's really that simple! Consider that $125 the cost of learning to balance a checkbook.
I'm sure WAMU is really worried about someone who overdrafts their account taking their "money" (or lack thereof, apparently) away from the bank.
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by Gizmo. Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:15 AM
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The bank is under no obligation to pay you back the overdraft fees (which, compared to my bank, $25 dollars is pretty cheap for an overdraft fee anyway). However, maybe if you would have explained your situation to them in a calm manner, they might have credited you for the cost of one or more fees. Back in my high school days, I amassed about 5 overdraft fees in about a two-week period. I was prepared to pay the fees, since it was my fault after all, but I explained to the bank what happened - I forgot to deduct one large check that I had written from my check register, and that one mistake had caused these five charges. I also told them that I was under the impression that after my account went into an overdrawn status, that my debit card would start declining everytime I tried to use it. The bank explained that their debit cards never decline at the point of sale, which I don't understand because I used to work at a grocery store and people's debit cards would decline all the time, but they were nice enough to cancel all of the fees except for one. I have never made another mistake again, and I still bank with that bank to this day.
If they decided not to cancel those charges, I would still be their customer because I know that it was my fault. I would just chalk it up to a learning experience.
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by joe bubby Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:23 AM
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by April Smith Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:10 AM
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Let me give you a tip: Do not read the posts from the people below. They will be filled with hate and telling you it is all your fault and you should just take it.
I had overdrafts from WaMu too. I contacted the BBB and got them refunded. Try that route. If that doesn't work, file a small claims action.
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HOW
by Angelic Princess:) Sat October 27, 2007 @ 11:56 AM
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Seriously!
by Adam D Wed October 24, 2007 @ 11:43 AM
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by donno Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 10:44 AM
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Someone below made a good observation. This happened over a year ago.
You have all these complaints about what banking with WAMU has been like, but only when this happened did you bring up the laundry list.
Your mistake resulted in a penalty. It is as simple as that. All banks I know of charge high overdraft fees. There is a solution - don't get yourself into this situation. Be aware that if you do, there will be a price to pay.
It sounds like you have many reasons to leave this bank, and ironically your own mistake is the straw that broke the camel's back. Good luck with your next institution. I bet it won't have as catchy a name - Wah Moo. That's a good name for a baby to say; you may want to rethink your decision.
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by Jeffrey Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 9:46 AM
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Things happen. Life is complicated when you have a baby. It's overwhelming.
And, yet, this isn't a reason to expect the world to pick up the pieces for you.
Consider the $125 a small amount of money when it comes to baby expenses. Sure, this money could be used in other ways. But if your life was so hard during that time that you couldn't keep up with ensuring that there was enough money in your account to cover your checks/withdrawals, then consider the $125 the cost of convenience of not having to worry about it.
You are right... banks are pretty tough. In fact, you'll find that most banks have these same policies. Switching banks will most likely lead to the same thing (or worse). Credit unions, they say, are a little better. So if you want a place that will bend the rules for you, I'd suggest going to a bank or credit union and have them put in writing that they'll excuse overdrafts, or whatever else you want out of a bank. When you find one that will guarantee you forgiveness for your errors, go with it!
It's interesting that you're willing to chuck the bank for one problem in 10 years. You're annoyed at THEM for being so strict and unforgiving? Seems like you have no patience for anyone else's mistakes. Why should they forgive yours?
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I'm puzzled by this. I am pregnant with my first child, and from the moment I found out, my husband and I have been saving extra money. Even though I get one year paid maternity leave from the government, it is about half of what I make now.
Why does it matter why you got the overdraft? You got it, and now you are whinning because you dno't want to pay it. If you can't pay then don't overdraft the account.
You don't deserve a credit and I think that WAMU might like to see you go.
the word WAMU makes me laugh.
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by Ahsha Posted Wed October 24, 2007 @ 9:10 AM
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Why is this dragging on a year later (I had my first child in June of 2006)? Give it up.
You were not given poor service, you were treated like every other customer. If you go elsewhere, you will still get treated like everyone else. Face up to your responsibility and move on.
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by calm Posted Tue October 23, 2007 @ 10:22 PM
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Sometimes banks will waive overdraft fees for some people. That's very nice of them. It's not something those customers are entitled to, though. You signed a contract that gave them permission to charge you overdraft fees. And if you move the financial accounts of your entire household elsewhere, you will be agreeing that whoever that "elsewhere" is can charge you overdraft fees.
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by azgirl Posted Tue October 23, 2007 @ 9:34 PM
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I've had two children and still managed to stay on top of my bills after their births. They don't owe you anything.
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