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I called 4 Target stores in the Maryville/Knoxville, TN area to ask about a certain toy. EVERY SINGLE one of the employees that helped me told me "Merry Christmas" before hanging up. I was really shocked becuase I thought Target was one of the stores where they weren't saying Merry Christmas.
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This is 100% NOT TRUE! I myself work for Target Corporation as a Cashier. We were never told what to tell our guests, but have been encouraged to say Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays. We have signs all over the store that say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays on the reverse (so no one would be offended or left out). There are like 5 different gift cards that have Christmas scenes on them one even says "Merry Christmas". Corporate office has not told any of its employees what to say to guests during the Holidays, instead it is up to each individual employee. They have the right and the freedom to wish someone a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Have a great day, Happy New Year, Enjoy your Holiday, and etc.
And about Target not supporting the Salvation Army - Target Corporation supports the Salvation Army! We donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the SA each year, just like Target does for hundreds of other non-profit organizations. The SA actually benefits from not having the bell ringers at Target! Target donates more money to the SA throughout the year (unlike once a year at other retailers such as Wal-Mart, Kmart, CVS). Target even has a special holiday CD that guests can buy - and we donate a percentage of the sale to the Salvation Army.
Target has a committed to ensuring that every guest feels welcome at their Target store. Should any incident arise, please don't hesitate to speak with management at THAT store. Corporate has a hard time dealing with guest comments, questions, etc. If something has happened at your Target that needs management attention, DO NOT HESITATE TO ASK! Go to ANY team member wearing Red & Kakki that is proudly displaying their team member name badge; and ask them to someone from guest relations or management.
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by Amber Boswell Posted Wed December 26, 2007 @ 8:53 PM
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL if you dont like it GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!
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by NICHOLAI Posted Mon December 17, 2007 @ 6:40 PM
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Merry Christmas!
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by Jaysmomma Posted Sat December 15, 2007 @ 9:02 PM
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My question is what in the world was the cashier doing telling you information that was given out during an employee meeting for the store? That was confidential information and shouldn't have been disclosed to you in the first place. Her bad mouthing her employer like that could very likely cost the company business. From a complete business perspective of this, that cashier should be held accountable for speaking in a negative way about the company. She may be upset about not saying Merry Christmas. You may be upset about not hearing Merry Christmas. But the retailers have every right to respect the population of our society that doesn't celebrate Christmas. If they ever stop selling Christmas trees and decorations because it'll offend those that don't celebrate it, then maybe there's a complaint there.
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by Teq Posted Thu December 13, 2007 @ 11:55 PM
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HAPPY HOLIDAYS *chuckles*
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by crazeethings Posted Wed December 12, 2007 @ 9:21 PM
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Funny how these people who are offended by "merry Christmas" don't DEMAND to work on the paid holiday though, huh?
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by Ruffino Posted Tue December 11, 2007 @ 5:01 PM
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We received a Target catalogue in the mail a couple weeks ago. On the cover is a string of Christmas lights. One of the lights "opens" to reveal the next page, and when you open the light, you see "Merry Christmas"!
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by hussyinterrupted Posted Tue December 11, 2007 @ 12:45 PM
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The reason why people arent free to express themselves and say whatever holiday greeting they would like is because of people, like yourself, that like to complain and make their opinion known. You want to hear the words "christmas" there are also people who write letters saying that they dont. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and unfortunately there are alot of squeakers out there. In order to try and please everyone people have to keep their mouth shut. Like your mom always said... if you cant say something nice.. Not everyone finds merry christmas to be nice. Its a personal issue for individual americans not a corporate issue.
Btw I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Personally I think this country needs to stop trying to be so politically correct and start emphasizing personal responsiblity. But that would never happen because god forbid someone get offended when we tell them they are in control of their own lives.
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by Alexandra Posted Thu December 6, 2007 @ 2:26 PM
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As a Christian I do NOT keep Xmas because it's a pagan holiday (no, I am not a JW). I'd rather the cashier say "Have a good day." One size fits all there.
Even if she said Happy Holidays, shouldn't that be acceptable to you? Xmas is not the only December holiday. In fact Hanukkah just started.
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by mstendardo Posted Thu December 6, 2007 @ 1:58 PM
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1) F Target for doing that. 2) As far a free speach. There is no such thing when you are working for someone. While on their clock and in their building you live by their rules.
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by Srgntpeppr Posted Mon December 3, 2007 @ 4:03 PM
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Does it really offend your ideals that a purveyor of goods and services doesn't acknowledge your holiday? Has it really affected the way you celebrate Christmas? Isn't it ironic that Christmas has nothing to do with shopping anyway according to your ideals, but the place you go to shop for presents in what has become a commercialized season rather than a spiritual one doesn't acknowledge your beliefs? Don't you see the amazing hypocrisy in this entire argument?
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Wrong...
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Right,
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by CAT5e Posted Sat December 1, 2007 @ 10:52 PM
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I don't even buy from Target anyway after an issue that happened. I just BOYCOTT THEM ! I will not even own a credit card of theirs.
I take my business elsewhere, Like Wal-Mart, Sams Club very courteous service Sears also, My dad has bought alot form Sears, so do I .
BTW I also Support Salvation Army when it comes to having their Ringers and Target Does Not another reason I don't go to Target.
TARGET Corp. some of your management staff treated me poorly and I have never set foot in your stores after that, I have a VG credit Rating.
Thanks !
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OK...enough PFB...time for a new letter.
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by G. D Posted Sun November 25, 2007 @ 12:32 PM
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/target.asp
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by redheadedmama Posted Thu November 22, 2007 @ 11:59 PM
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last year while working at my job on Christmas Eve, I said Merry Christmas to one of our customers and after the customer left, she told me that I was to say "Happy Holidays" from now on. I turned and I told her that I have been saying Merry Christmas for 40 (I'm 45) years and that I wasn't about to change!
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by Posted Thu November 22, 2007 @ 2:13 AM
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Freedom of speech? You do know the constitution is to protect us against the government, not our employers, right? People can't just say whatever they want at work and claim "freedom of speech".
Happy Festivus!
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by Mike Z. Posted Wed November 21, 2007 @ 1:19 PM
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I love the whole "War on Christmas" argument. It provides such an abundance of entertainment to me during the holiday season. Can't we all agree that christian religious radicals are very laughable?
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by American Cheese Posted Sun November 18, 2007 @ 5:18 PM
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I was in Lowes yesterday at 9:57pm. A CSR was helping me find something, and was lingering (I thought he would excuse himself because closing was in three minutes). The topic of the holidays came up, and in an exasperated manner he said he can't wish anyone a happy holiday. He went on to say "Did you hear it isn't Black Friday anymore? It is called Super Friday now." I pointed out this thread, and he shook his head. He said someone was in the store last week and threated to sue if a sign that said "Happy Holidays" wasn't taken down. As we parted, he said "Happy Thanksgiving", and I did the same. As he strolled away, I said "And Merry Christmas." He replied "Thank you, and you have a Merry Christmas also." I really like the fact that
he stood against his store's policy.
I ate at an Applebee's after this, and this same issue came up. She shook her head and said "If someone threatened to sue in my presence over such a thing, I think I'd punch them in the mouth." She wished me a Merry Christmas, and even tacked on "God bless" and I did the same to her. There's another person I could have gotten in trouble.
I think it's time to start a grass roots rebuttal against this crap. Whenever I'm in a store, I'm going to smile and wish the CSR and anyone else I run into a holiday greeting. If they just stare back because management has muzzled them, fine. But let's not let saying "Happy [appropriate religious holiday]"
become a a swear.
The next time I see a linen store advertising "White Days" I'm going to go in and threaten to sue them!
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by Agitator Mon November 19, 2007 @ 2:09 PM
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by PaintedLady Posted Sun November 18, 2007 @ 2:57 PM
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As a retail employee, I prefered "Happy Holidays". This is the perfect greeting in my eyes, taking in all faiths/celebrations/beliefs and wishing them the best for the season. It was never meant to EXCLUDE anyone, it was meant to include EVERYONE and their faith of choice, and spread good cheer; isn't that what the season is supposed to be about?
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Absolutely!
by Simbabe54 Tue November 20, 2007 @ 9:33 AM
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by DougWilson Posted Sat November 17, 2007 @ 8:43 AM
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Amen!
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by Novel Posted Thu November 15, 2007 @ 10:51 PM
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That is one of the reasons I really wanted to protest that store when they wouldn't even let Salvation Army outside their door.
And, if you try to find gift wrap with angels, or peace, love, and hope, give up. Same for Walmart. And, at this point Walmart could use a little divine intervention.
We have stood by quietly and watched the Christians' rights disappear right in America. No prayer in school. No "under God" in our pledge. Some no pledge at all.
Just like you sit comfy in your pews and don't go out and win the lost to know HIM, you pay the price now. When our grandchildren, are adults, who knows if they will even be allowed to say His name.
Don't expect this world to get better.What are you doing to share Christ?
The issue at Target targets you also. What is a Christian? What does that mean? It doesn't mean to sit and find things to complain about. It means to go out into that evil world and share Christ with them. It doesn't mean to sit in your pew and be self-rightious, but to love and encourage, to share Jesus with all people. Perhaps, if we were doing what our forefathers did, and shared God's love, it wouldn't be this way. What will God say to you when your time on earth is done? Works doesn't get anyone to heaven. Being good doesn't get you to Heaven. How will they know HIM, but by Christians sharing their faith.
Merry CHRISTmas and God bless!
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by Alcina Fri November 16, 2007 @ 7:56 PM
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by Steve Fausz Posted Wed November 14, 2007 @ 7:26 PM
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What a sad world we are living in! I am like you, as i do not believe the minority should dictact what is seen, heard or spoken. It's about time we "take" back our freedoms!
MERRY CHRISTMAS and GOD Bless us all!
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by gina a Posted Sun November 11, 2007 @ 9:25 PM
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Not all of Target's customers are of the Judeo-Christian faith. "Happy Holidays" is sufficient to cover Hanukkah, Kwanzaa or whatever winter holiday you celebrate.
May I suggest you get a life and stop worrying about trivial crap, like whether your cashier says "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays"?
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Bull hockey. Shenanigans. Liar, liar, pants on fire.
I was at Target today. I couldn't help but notice the HUGE "Merry Christmas" banner hanging from the ceiling at the checkout area. I also perused Christmas cards, and not only were there PLENTY of easily-found cards that said "Merry Christmas," but there was a good-sized section of Christmas cards specifically labeled "religious."
But honesty doesn't make for a contentious letter that lingers in the top spot, now does it?
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by Chris Pattullo Posted Sun November 11, 2007 @ 5:52 PM
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This letter, along with 99% of the responses, is a bunch of garbage! And it gets to be #1? Get a life, people.
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by KU Posted Sun November 11, 2007 @ 3:49 PM
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Why can't people say "Merry Christmas" if they celebrate it as such and "Happy Holidays" if that's what the holiday is for them? I'm not Jewish nor do I celebrate Kwanza but I will, and have, uttered those greetings to customers who I know celebrate those holidays. Why am I not allowed the same consideration? How difficult is it for someone to simply say, "I don't celebrate Christmas" so the person uttering the greeting can amend it to something else? You take offense, it isn't forced upon you.
It would be nice if this year people thought about the people around them instead of themselves and offered them the greeting that best fits the person you're responding to (as I do) or if you receive a greeting you don't agree with, simply informing someone of how you celebrate, rather than removing someone else's rights.
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by April Smith Posted Sun November 11, 2007 @ 9:51 AM
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though I agree with most of what you are saying, I hate when Christians feel a need to point out that they are the majority. Besides, just because some one celebrates Christmas does not mean they are Christian. In case you have been under a rock for the last few decades, Christmas is about spending more money than you have to purchase a gift for someone that you see once a year that they will never use. It's about scrambling to visit many different parties in one day because families no longer stick together. Now you have to visit the stepmom, the stepdad, the stepdogs. It's about filing our landfills with more useless crap.
I love Christmas. I wish we could do away with the gift giving. Or at least tone it down. I just want to visit with family and friends and I want my kids to feel that way too. But unfortunately, it's all about gimme gimme more.
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by Dissatisfied Cardholder Posted Sun November 11, 2007 @ 1:59 AM
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Happy Christmahanukwanzakah !!!
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by YOUR is not the same as YOU ARE Posted Sun November 11, 2007 @ 1:53 AM
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Inquire as to whether the customer would like a holiday greeting or not. If the customer answers "Yes", inquire as to whether they would like a religious greeting. If the answer is "Yes" inquire as to what the religion is.
Now the CSR reviews the answers the customr typed in. Obviously the CSR has all the information they need at this point to act the appropriate way. If the customer doesn't want a holiday greeting, the CSR smiles and enthusiastically says "HAVE A NICE DAY!". If the customer wants a non-religious holiday greeting, the CSR says "HAPPY HOLIDAYS!".
etc etc. Problem solved.
Happy [insert greeting here], people!
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by The Great Potato Erik Posted Sat November 10, 2007 @ 11:46 PM
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Alright, this has gone on way too long and I'm sick of it. I'm ending this debate once and for all.
MERRY CHRISTMAS is not a dirty word, alright? It's TWO words. TWO. So if anything, MERRY CHRISTMAS is TWO dirty words. Alright? Now everybody just shut the hell up.
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by YOUR is not the same as YOU ARE Sun November 11, 2007 @ 1:55 AM
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Excuse me???
by Hash Browned Potato Tracy Sun November 11, 2007 @ 2:58 PM
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LOL
by G. D Sun November 25, 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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by Adam W Posted Sat November 10, 2007 @ 4:53 PM
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You don't think it is worth protecting 15% of the population????? Do they matter less than you? Maybe we should just ban that 15% from Target? Maybe we can just send them to someplace like Darfur and let them fend for themselves?
Free speech? Do you have free speech at your job? There are plenty of things I would like to say to the people I work with but if I do I will get fired! What if an employee decides they want to come to work in a KKK robe? Will that be ok as well?
It's attitudes like this that create minorities. As a minority myself I am offended by your comments.
BTW, I personally think the ban on "Merry Christmas" is silly but not for the reasons you do.
If even ONE person is truly offended by the phrase than I think Target is doing the right thing.
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by bob bob Posted Sat November 10, 2007 @ 2:36 PM
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I'd knock you out if you said "merry christmas" to me. I used to work in a community that was a majority of jews and terrorists, I mean, arabs. I don't think they would be happy if you said it to them either.
I don't think that the president (bush) should get up in front of TV cameras and groups of americans and say anything about "our thoughts and PRAYERS are with..." or "god bless..." - that should be outlawed. I don't believe in god or prayer so I shouldn't have to hear about it or have someone assume that I'm praying for anyone or need some imaginary figure to "bless" me.
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by YOUR is not the same as YOU ARE Sun November 11, 2007 @ 1:42 AM
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I feel that if any store doesn't want to say Merry Christmas to me or even if they say Happy Holidays I don't want to spend my hard earned Merry Christmas dollars at their stores.
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by DragonflygrrlTheGreat Posted Fri November 9, 2007 @ 12:46 PM
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I'm just not gonna do it this year. This is my third winter at PFB, and every year we have this discussion. This year, I'm just gonna say it once then I'm gonna move on with my life.
This letter is far better than some of the poorly spelled diatribes we have to look forward to as the season approaches. I commend the OP for writing about a very touchy subject in a calm and friendly way, and for the record I hope she has a very merry Christmas. But I have to point a few things out.
1. Employee's don't really have free speech while they are on the clock. Yes, they have the right to say what they like without risking legal action (excepting libelous, obscene, or hate speech of course) like any other American, but they do not have the right to say what they like without disciplinary action from their employer. All employees have the legal right to say, "Merry Christmas," "Happy Winter Solstice," or, "go eff yourself," but their employers are well within their rights to fire them. "Freedom of Speech" only extends to legal protection, and when you agree to work for a company you waive a portion of your rights when you agree to follow their rules.
2. Not to be argumentative, but where are you getting your numbers? In 2001, 79.8% of Americans reported that they identified with some variation of Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Religi ous_affiliation). Atheists and Agnostics make up another 15%, and "Other" makes up the remaining 5.2%. Not a huge difference, but as a general rule if you cite statistics it's good to check them out.
3. Just because a majority of a population believes something, this does not mean that the rights of the minority should be overlooked. If we as people decided never to worry about the rights of a minority group, the Civil Rights movement could never have happened, just to name an example. In fact, there was a time when Christianity itself was a small, isolated sect among many, and if that minority group had never sought to be seen as equal we wouldn't be having this debate right now.
4. For the record, I don't much care what you celebrate (or don't celebrate), as long as you enjoy it. If you celebrate Solstice, Christmas, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Festivus, or something altogether different, have a happy one. For that matter, I don't care if you don't celebrate anything at all. Have a great day anyway. The holidays to me are about goodwill, regardless of the details of what pantheon inspires it (or not).
So that's all I got. I'm not getting sucked into the debate over Merry Christmas this year. It always gets so ugly on both sides, and it never resolves anything. Besides, there are so many more fun things to talk about during the winter holidays, like what TwinkleToe's is getting her kids for Christmas, or what vc wrote in the snow this year. :)
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If you must know.
by (i still come around so don't get too uppity) vc Fri November 9, 2007 @ 1:51 PM
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Look,
by (i still come around so don't get too uppity) vc Fri November 9, 2007 @ 5:48 PM
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by alot is NOT a word Fri November 9, 2007 @ 6:37 PM
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by hifistyle Posted Fri November 9, 2007 @ 11:49 AM
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You're right!
These corporate stores are so afraid of "radical" viewpoints they would rather offend the 85% of Americans who believe in GOD!
But they don't mind making money off the "Christmas Season" do they?
Any business who tries to remove the focus of God and the birth of our saviour ( again, the 85% of Americans) in their "Christmas themes" does NOT get my business.
And please, don't patronize me with that "inclusive" crap.
Stand up America for what you believe!
Prais God.
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Hypocrite
by Richard S. Fri November 9, 2007 @ 2:17 PM
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What ever happened to have a nice day? I know that in Toronto we are a very multicultural city. I don't feel right wishing someone a Merry Christmas as they may not celebrate christmas, channukkah or any december holidays. I think a whole hearted have a nice/good day is a lot better. And here's the great part, it never goes out of style.
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Reading this letter makes me giggle with delight.
You want to know why? this is my first holiday season NOT working in a mall! Or retail for that matter. So I'm sitting here grinning from ear to ear because I will NEVER have to deal with this crap ever again. No more crowded store, no more grumpy shoppers, no more people fighting over the last "black friday" item (I've seen people dive over boxes to get to things, im not kidding!)
Sorry if that was tangent-y. Retail just really strips you of your holiday spirit. Maybe this year I can actually enjoy the festivities isntead of recovering from work at the end of every 10-14 hour work day. Either way, I agree that people should have the right to say whatever they way, whether the choose to say "merry xmas", "happy holidays" or nothing at all.
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by Timothy Crawford Posted Fri November 9, 2007 @ 8:13 AM
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Oh for the love of God....
"Happy Christmas"
"Merry Holidays"
"Seasons Greetings"
WHATEVER!
Just celebrate, however you feel and get over it!
I don't take offense to anyone elses celebrations or what they believe in...why would it matter?! You can say "Free Speech" all you want and take it to extreme points but in the end it just doesn't really matter...one day we will all meet our maker and then won't we be shocked?!
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*hugs vc*
by DragonflygrrlTheGreat Fri November 9, 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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You said the bible doesn't describe him, and yet, here is proof that the bible DOES describe him.
Just admit it: You make up all your bullshit as you go.
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huh
by T. C. Fri November 9, 2007 @ 7:19 PM
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There were a few people I would have liked to have told to **** off!
But seriously, you sound really annoying. What would you think of free speech if this cashier chose to tell you God didn't exisit and Christmas was a sham? You probably wouldn't like it. That's why RELIGION and POLITICS don't belong in places of BUSINESS. The cashier should have kept her mouth shut and not complained about her employer to a customer.
No one's stopping you from going home and drinking a whole gallon of egg nog under the Christmas tree.
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I agree, in part, with you. I am 50 years old.. old enough to think for myself and say what I want..as long as I don't purposefully offend anyone. But, in today's (annoyingly) politically correct society, employees are being forced to take "sides." They do, bottom line, work for a business and business makes money when customers are happy. After hours, they can say what they want!
I find it "ok" for employees to say what they have to say (to keep their jobs!) but, no one can force me to reply with the "correct" term of that year!
I will continue to say Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays or just "omg!! I'm sooo stressed out"..whenever I choose!! :)
BTW.. nice letter! :)
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by The Saint Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 8:02 PM
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Right on, and Amen.
P.S. the term is "melding" pot (not "melting"). Thought you might like to know.
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by Peregrina Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 7:44 PM
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Bambi, may you have a bright and peaceful Solstice this year. :)
I'll admit, my first thought upon seeing the title of this letter was 'IT'S ONLY NOVEMBER!!!' Then I read through the comments, especially Bambi's calm and mature replies and decided that it would be great if Bambi would stay around for a while. That would be a lovely Christmas gift.
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by Wolf Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 7:22 PM
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Why should it matter? Are you so insecure in your Religion that you need some one to tell you? Who cares!
Christ was NOT born on December 25th (as we know it) It states that the Shepherds were watching their flocks by night. Not in the WINTER in that time of year in that area of the World. Too bloody cold.
We are not Christians, but we DO celebrate Christmas. It is a day to get together with the family and not worry about all the crap that is wrong in the World and just "be".
Christmas it what you make it and you shouldn't need some one to tell you "Merry Christmas" to have a Merry Christmas.
(Personally, I like the "Brit Speak" of "Happy Christmas". I would LOVE to see that here in the States.)
Flame away!
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I just..
by Wolf Fri November 9, 2007 @ 4:27 PM
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by "Clete" Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 7:06 PM
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OK, I shall put an end to this once and for all.
Technically, up to and including the 24th and all the days following the 25 are technically THE HOLIDAYS, saying Happy Holidays is perfectly acceptable.
December 25th is the day we celebrate the birth of Christ. Shouldn't the 25th be the only day we say "Merry Christmas"?
As far as I am concerned, we should celebrate Jesus every day off the year not just Christmas and Easter.
Clete
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by MrsMootz Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 5:22 PM
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Oh God, not this again! Not again!
Is this going to happen every single Christmas now?
The war of the holiday greetings is starting already.
I need to lie down with a good stiff drink and stop reading complaint websites again.
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Wow.
by (i still come around so don't get too uppity) vc Fri November 9, 2007 @ 9:36 AM
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Come on, Bambi
by Hash Browned Potato Tracy Fri November 9, 2007 @ 3:19 PM
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by Angelic Princess:) Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 5:12 PM
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Scrooges love to make a fuss out of anything they can. They have nothing better to do. I kind of think its like people pulling the race card.
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by donno Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 4:34 PM
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Oops. Am I late, early? When the devil is it? Oh let's just forget it.
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I received an email today from Target assuring me that this is no longer their policy. They feel that perhaps the employee misunderstood or the management was unclear at the last staff meeting. So good news!
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by Richard S. Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 4:25 PM
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I am celebrating Festivus this year and so should Target.
This entire Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays debate is getting old.
Why do Christians insist on having stores say "Merry Christmas". What is wrong with Happy Holidays? It sounds like the Christians want to ignore every other religious holiday this time of year. Is Christianity more superior?
I don't think it is very Christian like to be acting like this (insisting on Merry Christmas). This is not the example Jesus would have shown.
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Thank you!!!
by Hash Browned Potato Tracy Sat November 10, 2007 @ 11:42 AM
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Happy Holidays everyone!
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by Potato Erik Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 1:33 PM
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I personally get offended when Target cashiers refuse to acknowledge my belief system and wish me a Merry Potatomash. They have no excuse for ignoring it. Potatomash is every day, when you believe in your heart that all good things come from the potato.
So, in that case, I have no problem with Happy Holidays. Because in my mind, Potatomash is the holiest day of all.
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"First, 85% of Americans claim to celebrate Christmas, so I don't think it's worth protecting 15% of our population, just to annoy the other 85%."
This is just me, but if it's okay with you to annoy 15% of the population, then you don't seem to have grasped what the season is all about.
I long for the days when people finally get it. The words "Merry Christmas" never once appear in the Bible. It's a phrase made up by a greeting card company; the Ten Commandments it is NOT.
Lighten up and - all due respect - get over it.
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by Mike Z. Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 1:03 PM
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Bill O'Reilly? Is that you?
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by "Clete" Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 12:44 PM
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Here is the down and dirty: I could really care less about what someone does and does not say to me when I am shopping. If the truth be told, I'd rather they don't say anything at all.
I don't think there is a single word that can be uttered that won't offend someone for some reason or another.
Christmas is NOT: sending cards, putting up trees, putting up lights, spending money to buy gifts, santa claus, reindeer, snowmen, fruitcake, The Grinch, Sale Ads, Well Wishes, candy canes, stockings, mistletoe, credit cards, shopping malls, the north pole, elves, Jim Carey, etc..etc...etc..
Christmas is the one day out of the year when we should celebrate the birth of Christ. We should ask ourselves, what is the significance of His birth? The bible tells us that God being a just God sent His Son into the world to take on our sin so that we may appear sinless in His sight. Christmas is about salvation, not all the other stuff I listed above.
I know that not everyone believes or "buys into" this belief and that is their right. God's gift is free, but it should not be imposed on anyone. The term for this is FREE WILL
The next time you are in Walmart fist-fighting someone's grandmother over a $29 DVD Player, try to remember this: For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, and who ever believes upon him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.
So...the next time someone fails to wish you a Merry Christmas, just remind yourself that even if they did, they probably don't mean it the way it was intended in the first place.
I know it isn't even Thanksgiving yet, but...Merry Christmas to All.
Clete
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by donno Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 12:23 PM
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it has nothing to do with free speech. They can advise their employees to not promote anything they wish.
Others have pointed out there is stuff on the website and in the store that does proclaim Merry Christmas.
I don't see how one of these precludes the other. They may well have educated their employees as to their wishes, but post messages and carry merchadise that is a bit more libreral. I can see how an employee might relate this event out of either frustration, loose lips, or whatever.
My own opinion is things have become far too PC. I would prefer someone to mention any one of the greetings you mentioned to "Seasons Greetings". If someone said "Happy Kwanzaa" to me I would be happy for them celebrating their religion.
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No tinsel.
by Potato Erik Thu November 8, 2007 @ 1:12 PM
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by JuliePie Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 12:20 PM
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Bambi-
I hope you have a very happy Saint Lucia day.
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Shenanigans. I think you're completely lying about every bit of this.
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Or...
by Jeffrey Thu November 8, 2007 @ 12:23 PM
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by calm Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 12:09 PM
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/target.asp
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by Jeffrey Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 11:59 AM
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Target's web site contains the word "Christmas" by the way. Right there on the home page.
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True
by "Clete" Thu November 8, 2007 @ 12:45 PM
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And...
by Jeffrey Thu November 8, 2007 @ 6:37 PM
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by Kelshir Posted Thu November 8, 2007 @ 11:51 AM
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There is no free speech violation. Freedom of speech applies to the government trying to control speech.
Any corporation, private company, business, private college, etc... is free to limit the speech of their employees. If the employees have a problem then they need to find a different job.
Employees have no freedom of speech right on the job period, ever.
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