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by Angryconsumer Posted Wed June 20, 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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I have worked at panera for a little over a year now. And have noticed while sexual preference is not an issue,race unfortunetly is. In my time at panera i have seen one african american employee be hired. (she was fired within the month) i have also heard several stories about managers both general and district refusing to hire african americans. Im not just a venting employee these are problems that concern me. Over the year ive been with the company i have noticed it is very corrupt! There are several problems that need to be addressed. #1 paneras food is anything but healthy. (loaded with salt) #2 panera has a "no dirty table" policy which is enforced with germ infested "towels". #3 if the GM like you you will move up quick,there are people at my location who have been there 6-7 years and are still associates,and who also work very hard. #4 panera hires and promotes homosexuals quicker than a straight employee. (im not anti-gay btw) and the way these people perform and interact with co-workers is completely inappropriate. (speaking for my location only) lastly i would like to say,if your an average looking male or below you will never have the chance to work the registers. Why? Because Covelli ent. Wants young,pretty females "up front". Panera bread was a great company now it is extremely corrupt! And someone needs to pull back the curtain on this "castro style" ran company.
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by smokinaces Posted Mon March 24, 2008 @ 9:41 AM
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That was an insensitive thing to say.
However,
Here's an idea!!!! Start within your own race to ban all discrimination. It's clear that no matter what your race, or even sexual preferance is, there is someone of that nature causing others to always look at you in that manner.
I'm gay and can't stand the fact that there are other's out there making those of us look like queens and fairies. One person whose purse falls out of thier mouth when they speak is discriminating to me. God gave you a third leg, act like it. So you what you do in your bedroom is your business. Doesn't mean you act like a woman.
Black people the same way. There are those living in the old days that believe the white man is out for them all the time. They push the NAACP at every job and interaction in public more frequently than anyone realizes. This is causing more hardship and is inevitbly going to bring back racism if you cant look past that. Your equal in this country, and if there is a discriminating case, you more than likely brought it about. If you change your thought process with all you do you can make a change in this world. I hear so many say "I got bad service because I'm black, or gay, or a redneck" No you didn't! It's because you want to "BELIEVE" you did.
I can only wonder what happened and was said prior to the employee making her comment. How was your speach and demeanor? Did you give the impression that you can be hard to deal with?
Whether we want to believe this or not, we all attract into our lives the instances that happen to us.
We all live in a changing world and need to change with it. Not grasp onto the past and let it hold us back.
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by Keith C. Tue March 25, 2008 @ 12:48 AM
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Yes!
by smokinaces Tue March 25, 2008 @ 3:38 PM
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How people would have responded if you were a very overweight white woman, and you were complaining about a store employee making a crack to you, comparing you to some comedic very overweight white woman, such as Roseanne Barr/Arnold, etc.
I think overwhelmingly, people would have been horrified at someone being so inappropriate and callous being joked about to an overweight stranger.
I don't see how this instance is different. A store employee took the only thing she knew about the customer -- physical appearance -- and made a joke comparing her to some crazy black lady who's funny (I'd never heard of her, but I don't have cable).
While I don't think the employee's intention was to be offensive (I think she just thought she was being funny), she does need to be told that comments LIKE that, with customers she doesn't even know, are uncalled for. Perhaps she can lighten up with regulars who know her, but otherwise, the employee-to-customer exchange should be a polite and respectful one.
Age, weight, race, physical abilities, religious garb... All seem strictly off-limits to me as to what to joke about when interacting with a customer or client (or anyone you don't know well enough to know how they'd react to that kind of joking).
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by T. C. Sun March 16, 2008 @ 7:11 PM
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i'm going to side with you on this. it's rude, insensitive and could result in a lot of trouble if you choose to push it. case in point: when i worked at Holiday Inn, my supervisor was helping serve the food to customers because we were super busy. this is a very sweet woman who wouldn't hurt anyone feelings or alienate anyone on purpose. she served an african american family and she said to the woman and daughter, "this is the girl's food" and to the man and son: "and this is for the boys." well, the man took offense to the word "boy." she meant nothing by it, is too young to really know that word is offensive to an african american man, but the man decided to push it. it ended up going all the way to corporate and my supervisor nearly lost her job all because of something that she had no idea was offensive. bottom line is that we live in a day and age when we have to watch every word that comes out of our mouth. we have to be thoughtful and think how another person would interpret our words. the employee needs to be told this.
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by Rhet C. Posted Thu March 13, 2008 @ 6:59 PM
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Chill out! Not worth getting all worked up about. And it's not a racial thing. Why does the race card only get used when it's covenient?
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by Final Score: Boys-3, Girls-1 Posted Tue March 11, 2008 @ 7:05 PM
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I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that rather than people getting "sensitivity training", perhaps society, as a whole, should get desensitized. Nowadays people are so easily offended, I'm afraid that eventually folks will stop speaking to one another all together. This is why people of different races can seem uncomfortable around one another; they are so afraid that something they say could offend another person.
I'm glad this happened the other day, because it's the perfect comparison. I was cleaning my downstairs hall closet. It's where I keep my coats, and also put the dry cleaning when I get home. There was a bunch of those annoying wire hangers from the cleaner left in one corner of the closet, and I started tossing them into a pile to throw away.
My husband walked by, scooped them up, and said "I suppose I should throw these out before you go Joan Crawford on my hiney?"
Now, Joan Crawford was a white woman who drank to much. But I didn't relate any part of the comment to my race, gender, or a suggestion that I'm an alcoholic. It was a reference to the situation in comparison to a movie.
I'm sure the cashier doesn't give a flying fig that you are black. If the Madea character were a different race, would you be so offended? Now the cashier is probably going to be afraid of everything she says to a black person, for fear that she might offend them. Nice job.
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by neka Wed March 12, 2008 @ 1:26 AM
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by neka Wed March 12, 2008 @ 9:45 AM
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by ~Fiƒi-la-ƒlea~ Posted Tue March 11, 2008 @ 9:48 AM
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She was definitely wrong in taking a liberty assuming you knew what she was joking about. You handled yourself well too.
I'm glad you wrote this letter and the commenters gave their opinions because it has been interesting reading about this and everyone's opinions. I've also enjoyed the youtube videos of this character, they are hilarious.
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It sounds to me like she was trying to be friendly and make a joke, but used very poor judgement and did not think of what she was saying. Atleast you handled it in a civilized way through email instead of solving it "outside in the parking lot" when she was done work. :D
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by Peregrina Posted Tue March 11, 2008 @ 12:01 AM
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I want to give the clerk the benefit of a doubt. We've all said stuff that sounded fine/funny/appropriate in our heads and then regretted it as soon as it left our mouths. Been there, done that. :(
On the other hand, I've had people make comment involving Jeff Foxworthy's 'redneck' jokes and I've been less than amused, so I can see why the OP took offense.
You know what they say 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'. Let the first time go, assume it was a joke in bad taste, but a forgivable sort of joke. If it happens again, speak to the manager.
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by mary jo Posted Mon March 10, 2008 @ 11:16 PM
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While I LOVE Madea and Tyler Perry and all his movies, I have to say that I can completely see where this would be an offensive thing to say to a complete stranger..especially one that is a paying customer.
I like your letter. Its professional and you kept the emotion aspect to a minimum. I also like the suggestion of giving her a different job within the company that doesnt have to deal with people. Its a lot better than demanding they fire her. Doing something like that is what it might take to show her that she needs to be careful what comes out of her mouth.
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thx
by neka Tue March 11, 2008 @ 12:53 AM
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I think people on here are missing the Main Line Philadelphia Attitude. I know exactly what location you are talking about. I've been to stores in that area and sensitivity and professionalism are definitely lacking. I agree with you. It was totally inappropriate. Character reference or not.
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Main Line
by All About the Branding Mon March 10, 2008 @ 9:29 PM
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by Adam D Posted Mon March 10, 2008 @ 7:16 PM
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I understand your concern, but I don't believe that the cashier meant it in a racially hateful manner. I think she was just trying to be funny, and did not understand what she said. Lots of people say things from movies, and don't have a clue what they mean. I don't think sensitivity training is relevant in this issue. Now, if she pointed at you and called you an epithet then yea.
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by halah Posted Mon March 10, 2008 @ 7:08 PM
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Would you still be complaining if she had said, "We don't need any Weeza's up in here!" Y'know, the crazy old bat from Steel Magnolia's, as played by Shirley Maclaine.
Perhaps she was just trying to use an character she thought you, as a black woman, would understand about. So she thought wrong.
I don't think this was a race issue, or insensitive. She was just making a comment in a joking way about not wanting to piss you off.
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And?
by All About the Branding Mon March 10, 2008 @ 1:19 PM
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Actually...
by All About the Branding Mon March 10, 2008 @ 1:18 PM
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to you, but if you knew who Tyler Perry was, you'd know that there was no insult intended.
At the core of every Madea film is that she is a strong, family-oriented woman who takes care of herself.
I have to ask though (not that I want to open a whole heated debate!) but was the cashier also African American?
You should really watch the whole series of plays that are now being turned into feature movies. They are touching and thought provoking and hilarious all at the same time!
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I had a lady two weeks ago, that came up to me at work, I work retail grocery. I was on the front end, she comes up to me and says, "Are you scared"? I was like "What" She says, "your hair looks like mine does on a bad hair day" I was like "uhhhhh thanks for the compliment" True story, No excuse for the old lady hassling me or what the cashier said to you.
The young lady was probably trying to be funny, even though it is not wise to joke about race. Older people tend to speak their mind and dont seem to care who they offend. This last line is my personal opinion, it may not apply to your grandparents.
Good Day
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For those who don't know Madea, she's a hilarious creation of Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry writes plays/movies that have Christian undertones and there's always a message to them. Madea is a character that he created and is performed by him. She's a grandma type who doesn't take any mess from no one. She carries guns, smokes weed and will put a hurtin on you if you act a fool. You can see what I'm talking about here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I938abIM40c
Based on the comment, it sounds like she was saying she didn't want you to flip out if there weren't any pastries left. That's based on one of Tyler Perry's plays, "Class Reunion", where a restaurant takes too long with the food and Madea goes buck wild by flipping tables and chasing after the waiter. Either way, unless the cashier knew you, she wasn't too smart to say the comment to you as if you don't know anything about Madea, you wouldn't have understood it and if you don't like Madea, you would've found it offensive.
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I think this employee was way out of line. Even if the employee were black (I assume she is white), her comment would have been wholly inappropriate. To comment on someone's race like that is just tacky and rude.
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by Gino Posted Mon March 10, 2008 @ 4:06 AM
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Here's a great idea, one doesn't need to know what a term needs, if it offends, the tone alone and attitude are enough to let one know it's offensive. Someone else may not have been as civilized as you and handled it by email, but they were civilized enough to speak to a manager at the store and get the satisfaction of an apology and possible reason to go back in the future.
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by Knuckles Posted Mon March 10, 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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It sounds as though Bev is an educated woman, with a interest in the arts. I think I'd like to meet her. She sounds like a hoot.
I think you should take your sensitivity down a few notches. Madea is a fictional character, so she doesn't even exist.
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