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by Laura H. Posted Sun August 10, 2008 @ 9:20 PM
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They tell us in first aid and CPR training that during the event of an emergency, the person assisting must and ALWAYS POINT TO ONE INDIVIDUAL and say "YOU, CALL 911". You must never say just "Call 911".
Why?
People, especially in crowds, have a natural tendency in high stress and emergency situations to freeze up and not know what to do. Mostly they just watch (ever see rubberneckers, the ones that slow down during car accidents to watch? It's just like that.) They already think someone else is handling the situation. When you say "someone call 911," others will look around, see people on their cell phones, and think "Hey, they're already calling 911, I don't have to." The sad reality is that 9 out of 10 times, they are not calling 911, but a friend, family, etc...
When you point to ONE person, the responsibility falls on them. They are given a task, and they do it.
The Ikea employees most likely found themselves in this exact situation during the course of the accident. I do believe yes, the Ikea employees should be better trained to react in emergency situations. To fire them for something they were not trained to handle is too much. As a parent, you are responsible for the safety of your child.
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by thebaddawg Posted Wed July 30, 2008 @ 3:56 PM
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A couple questions that are not explained in the letter:
1. Did any employees see this accident take place?
2. What reason did the employees have to dial 911 other than someone screaming for them to do so? Maybe they legitimately did not know what was happeneing and was not going to call 911 and say:
"911, what is your emergency?"
"Yes, I'm an employee at IKEA, and someone just told me to call 911".
"Can you tell me what the emergency is?"
"Um, I don't know, I was just told to call 911 without knowing what happened"
3. Could the employees reluctance to help be a reflection on the Sue-happy) society we live in?
Though I find it hard to believe that employees would really do nothing if a baby was in danger (I find it much more likely that no employees witnessed the fall and were unsure as to what happened), this letter is a great example of why an employee MIGHT NOT be so quick to get themselves personally involved.
If this woman allowed her child to fall to the ground, then later complained that the employees of the store did not call 911 before she did, then how might she have reacted to an employee who may have rushed in and tried to take control of the situation? For example, what if the employee didn't hold the baby's neck still enough and "caused more damage" to the baby?
All too often the people who try to help in emergencies are the ones blamed (and sued) by the people they are trying to help.
This letter is one side of the story, before we condemn everyone who didn't do exactly what this mother thought they should (when she wanted it), we may want to ask ourselves these and possibly other questions. I hope it didn't happen the way this mother said it did, but we don't really know if this is a legitimate story or if it is embellished a little to make the complaint stand out more.
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by thebaddawg Fri August 1, 2008 @ 3:55 PM
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by ♫Venice♫ Tue August 5, 2008 @ 4:34 PM
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I cannot comprehend how this situation even happend. How could an employee usher you out of the building and not do anything??
It amazes me.
Even if they didn't see what happened, they should have a loss prevention team or at the very least a manager on duty or even head salesperson that would be able to file an accident report, assess the situation and call 911 on your behalf.
I don't agree that anyone should be fired or that the employees should have to write you a letter. I do think the store manager should write you a letter. I think the corporate offices of IKEA should offer to pay for medical bills. I do think the team at this IKEA needs some saftey lessons and emergency preparadness procedure policy reviews.
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by KaraBeara Posted Tue July 29, 2008 @ 2:50 AM
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Yes the employees should have deffinetly done something, but how on earth did your daughter fall out of her carseat? I can see the car seat falling, heck we all put our babies seats on carts, that most car seats are now cart compatable and latch to the carts, but in order for her face to hit the pavement i would have to imagine that she wasn't buckled into her seat, which would be a bad bad thing
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by Final Score: Boys-3, Girls-1 Sat August 2, 2008 @ 8:12 AM
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by fight noise pollution Posted Sat July 26, 2008 @ 4:12 PM
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Does anyone know if there was any resolution this letter.
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by C M. Posted Fri July 25, 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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HI Katie
Let me get this right BOTH you and your husband were beside the child that fell. Well why were'nt YOU watching your child????? What about Hubby???
If you are too busy or lack the ability to watch a 4 year old then you should have secured a baby sitter.
It is NOT the employee's job to babysit your kid.
Katie-newsflash-what was your husband doing during this incident????????? Seems like it took him a long time to respond. Duh
Take responsibility for you actions and in this case lack of action. BOTH YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND SHOULD BE PUNISHED!!
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by calm Posted Thu July 17, 2008 @ 9:26 AM
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for awhile now, and I've read some of the comments.
I really do think I've got a much better idea of what happened now than I did when I'd just read the original letter, and I think that's too bad, because over time I've gone from agreeing that Ikea employees could have handled this better but kind of sympathizing with them to agreeing that some kind of punishment really is warranted.
I've had some jobs where there was a lot of responsibility and I was expected to take charge of emergency situations, and I've had some jobs where I didn't expect any real crises to arise. I worked retail after those jobs with all the responsibility, and even though I think I was pretty good with crises when I anticipated them, I admit that I froze when emergency situations happened at the retail job.
Once a woman got onto a down escalator with her baby in a stroller and let go of her stroller to get something out of her purse -- the child tumbled down the escalator. Another time a man coming up lost his balance near the top, fell and rolled down, and proceeded to fall and roll a few more times as the escalator repeatedly got him almost to the next floor. In both cases I froze and other people working in nearby stores had the presence of mind to contact mall security and 911 before I could think of what to do. In the second instance, very upset shoppers kept running into my store demanding that I stop the escalator, which of course I was unable to do.
My point is that if not in a mindset where an emergency seems likely, I respond much less well to emergencies than if I am hal-expecting them (I think there was also a bit of the Kitty Genovese factor in play too -- I responded quickly when I was the person responsible for reaponding, whereas when my responsibility was less clearly defined and there were other people who were responsible with me I waited for one of them to take the lead. I'm not proud of how I acted in either case and I'd like to think I'd do better today ... but to be honest, I can't say for sure that I would.
So yeah, I can see retail employees not handling things well, hesitating to call 911 long enough that someone else did it first and taking a family to where the ambulance was going to come in order to make sure that medical treatment came ASAP but not waiting with the family or expressing concern. And at first, that's what I thought had happened. Now, of course, I know better. (In fact, as I think about what I now understand to have happened, I'm reminded specifically of the abduction of Adam Walsh and I am especially grateful that this story has as good an ending as it does.) So I do think the letter could have been written better than it was.
I initially thought that Ikea should see this as evidence that its employees need to be trained on how to handle emergencies -- all the more so because they don't get all that much experience -- quickly and appropriately. I initially thought that Ikea should also make sure it's employees are instructed to behave in a more compassionate way when something happens to customers. And in general when front-line workers handle things badly I tend to think part of the responsibility belongs to the people who should have been making sure they had the tools (including the authority to act and the knowledge of how to act). But now, after getting a better idea of what "escorted me out of the store" actually means, I agree that some disciplinary action is appropriate.
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Oh, and my contribution to the discussion of the OP's parenting, because I have read some comments that I think are worth responding to: nothing like that ever happened to a child I was responsible for. I attribute that to three things:
(a) to a small extent, a sense of what situations are dangerous and should not be allowed to happen,
(b) to a greater extent, the fact that they weren't my kids so
(b.1) I had less time in which to make an error, and
(b.2) I could postpone those of my chores during which I would be more likely to make an error until someone else was with the children, and
(c) mainly luck.
I am very grateful that I have been as lucky as I have (if you were to scrutinize my life you would see that I am spectacularly lucky in a lot of ways). I'm really sorry that the OP has not been that lucky as well (though I am grateful that she was at least lucky enough that the child wasn't hurt as badly as she might have been).
No-one will read this because it's so long, but I needed to say it anyway.
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by deb1075 Posted Wed July 16, 2008 @ 5:36 PM
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Good Afternoon,
I'm surprised at the tone of all these responses in regards to this mother's concerns. It didn't matter whose fault it was that the baby fell, the problem is with how the store and their associates dealt with an EMERGENCY !! What if this baby was critically hurt and every second mattered ?? I don't know either where most of you people work, but I work for a large company (probably not as large as IKEA though), and we would have never, ever, ever have dealt with it in this way. What about moral responsibility? Decent human compassion for an injured infant? Any large Company would deal with the question of who is responsible for what bills after the emergency was taken care of.. They have more lawyers on their own staff than you could even imagine (I know we do !) and this would be a minor issue for them.. I'm sure if an elderly customer has a heart attack in their store they should just let them drop where they may and sweep them out later, right ?? Please people, think about what you are saying and excusing these people of - next time it could be someone in your family.. And p.s. to the mother - I'm so glad that everything worked out fine for you !
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by thinkingitthrough Posted Wed July 16, 2008 @ 3:04 PM
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Forgive me if this suggestion was posted below...the entries are so vast that I could not get through them all.
That being said, I do work on the periphery of this industry, and my experience has shown that more often than not, a customer that is injured, or the parent of a child that is injured, will request a call to 911. When the store complies (as a customer service), weeks later that same customer comes back wanting the bills (ambulance/EMS, ER, etc.) paid, using the convoluted reasoning, "Well, YOU'RE the ones that called 911". At times, the EMS report will state who placed the call and this can place the store that tried to do a good deed in a very bad position.
I am in no way suggesting that this is what this poster would do...I am simply telling you the reality of the situation and how our litigious society has forced stores to adopt what might appear to be uncaring practices.
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by ♫Venice♫ Thu July 17, 2008 @ 4:46 PM
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How scary, I know I would also be livid by this situation. I hope everything works out for you and your baby.
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by DB25 Posted Tue July 15, 2008 @ 8:16 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that your daughter's car seat fell over with her in it, but did you fail to properly secure the car seat to the cart? Also, you said by your own words that you were hysterical - so who knows what was going through the employee's minds. I still would have called the ambulance for you, but maybe it is their policy not to do that? Could be a liability issue, who knows. Hopefully your daughter's injuries have healed, but I do think the store owes you an apology - more if it were their fault that she was injured.
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the panic in your baby getting injured like this, your hysterics and excessive demands ("fired" and "punished" for not rushing to your aid? Thats a little harsh!)resulted in you, LITERALLY, being shown the door.
Yes, it would have been decent and good for them to help - an injured child is still an injured child, but there is NO obligation to do so and (yes, you would do it and I would do it, but not everyone thinks that way) but to insist on punitive retribution on these people for not doing as you expected is just as inconsiderate as them not helping.
I have to wonder why your husband with the cell phone couldn't call right then and there? I would NEVER wait for someone else to call EMS if either of my boys were hurt - I'd be calling myself because they are MY kids, no matter what my frame of mind was.
And you really need to learn how to remain calm - I can promise you this won't be the last time your child gets hurt in the next 20 or so years that they're under your care.
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by Debra C. Posted Mon July 14, 2008 @ 9:33 AM
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It is so sad that those employees did not call 911. As a mother of four adult children I do understand the difficulty of shopping with kids, but the fact that this child was hurt is the whole issue of this story. Those employees should be fired.
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by fight noise pollution Sat July 26, 2008 @ 3:53 PM
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by Marty5223 Posted Mon July 14, 2008 @ 8:33 AM
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Wow...
After this OP answered one of my assumptions below, I have to totally agree that IKEA screwed up on this one.
She stated they took her down a long hallway pass some computer equipment and opened a single door that lead to outside without saying anything shutting the door. I can't imagine any person (store) doing this to anyone.
That was the point she said her husband called 911. The child was moved from the floor, and 911 was not even called until they reached that single door.
(Bad idea to move someone that you don't know what their injuries are until medics arrive). She agreed 911 should of been called from the floor, but said they were in shock.
Anyway Ikea certainly seems to need some basic training in showing some basic concern if this all went down as this OP said.
I think it would of been better had the OP put this additional info in her letter about the long hallway, and the single door being open that lead them to be outside alone. That bit of information sheds a different light on this for me.
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In my first response/reaction, while I condemned the employees for their lack of action, I faulted the mom for putting the babyseat in that unsafe section of the cart.
But she mentioned that in the letter, and I have to assume that she has beaten herself up over her role in this quite enough.
Locally, a Minnesota Viking recently had legal trouble because he allowed his two-year-old son to play with a drycleaning bag (in fact, he played a game with it with the child, involving put it over the head and making a funny face). He truly had not given any thought to the dangerous aspect of that play. He feels awful.
If it had occurred to this OP that the babyseat wasn't safe in that position/location, she wouldn't have left the baby there.
She must feel just awful, and I feel bad for mentioning it in my first response. Can't you just see her warning moms at stores who try this? "My baby's seat fell out and she landed on her head!" I can't imagine a mom NOT moving that seat immediately!
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by cissy Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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I am disgusted with their behavior. Sure 1, maybe 2 were in shock, but I can't believe that NO ONE took the responsibility to call for help. Absolutely deplorable response to what was a medical(emergency) issue. I hope Ikea takes this seriously and and looks to adopt changes to store policy and apoligize. Good luck and pray your precious daughter is alright and you too.
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by katieleann Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 9:10 PM
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This wasn't a complaint about my daughter falling out of the cart. I know that it was my responsibility to make sure that it was securely fastened in there. I really really thought that it was. It clicked and everything. So I really cannot explain to you how it fell out! I wish I could. I would like to know to. I will for the rest of my life live with the guilt of this. I could never clear it from my mind. Im sorry if I have started any hard feelings. I was not putting the blame for that on Ikea. I do understand under law that they weren't allowed to do much! It was just the way that they acted toward us that upset me. Me being a mother, I feel that someone should have at least came out to check on us and write a report. I called the company the next day and there was nothing there about it. So a supervisor was never notified.
Again, Im not going to check this again because it seems as if people are bashing me for her falling out. I am such a careful parent, I dont even let her sleep in her own room. I really dont know how this happened.
Thankfully she is fine. She will get through it and there is no permanent damage.
Thank you guys for all of your concerns, whether or not, it backed me up! Gladly people really do care about others in this world!
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I haven't read through ALL the previous posts (just some) but here's my $0.02.
I cannot understand why the witnessing employees didn't at LEAST get ahold of LP to call 911. My understanding is that IKEA is a rather large warehouse-type store. We don't have one in our area, so I'm not speaking from experience. I have seen one from outside while passing by on the highway and it reminded me of a Costco/Sam's or maybe Fry's type of setup. HUGE. I DO know from experience that many of these stores have spectacularly poor cell phone reception so if I were working, at the very minimum, I would have called the LP department and had them call 911 for assistance. I've done similar things before. As "regular" associates, we were not allowed to make ANY decisions or take ANY action in an emergency situation unless there was IMMEDIATE danger, such as a fire. The 5 seconds that it would take LP to pull up the area on camera (and you can bet they can do that!!) would probably not have made the hugtest difference in her prognosis.
Based on my experience of using a car seat on/in a shopping cart, I cannot understand how the carseat or the child would have gone from a "sitting" type position to face flat on the floor as described. My carseat actually latches onto the back of the front basket, so it's virtually impossible to have the seat fall out accidently. Even if the baby wasn't strapped in, I doubt that a 4 month old would be able to pull herself up and out of the carseat by herself. Maybe someone can explain this to me. I'm not doubting, I'm probably just missing something :)
Any, I'm so sorry about what happened to your daughter and I wish her the best.
Good luck.
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by katieleann Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 7:00 PM
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Well for those of you who are saying that this is my fault, you obviously must not have children. If you go to Wal Mart or some other store, you see everybody putting their childrens car seat on the cart. It was put in securely. For those of you who have been to Ikea you may have noticed the floors are very slippery and the wheels of the carts go every where. Im guessing from moving motion of the cart the car seat obviously came undone.
I was not saying that it was Ikeas fault for my childs fall! If you would have read my complaint you would have realized that. For those of you who want to open your mouth and blame me.....read it again. All I was asking for was for the employees to be dealt with. I talked to the manager after I put this letter up and he even agreed with me that I should have been treated better. I am not asking for anything from these people except an apology. So before you judge me, get your facts straight!
Thank you to all the people who have encouraging words for me at this very horrible time in mine and my daughters life. I really do appreciate this.
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by katieleann Sat July 12, 2008 @ 6:52 PM
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Even if the employees were not allowed or just didn't care enough to call 911, they never, ever should have escorted this family out of the store. That violates one of the basic tenets of emergency medicine. You do not move a victim unless they are in a dangerous situation, ie: a burning car.
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by katieleann Sat July 12, 2008 @ 6:58 PM
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When I was working at Mcdonald's during college, we had a young guy crash his jeep through the front of restaurant...Immediatley we called 911 and got someone there to help out.
I do hope your daughter is doing ok, and I think what IKEA employees did was horrible.
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by BellaSera Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 2:40 PM
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Here's some general thoughts based on other comments:
First, if my child fell face first on a concrete floor, I'd be a little hysterical too. It's easy to say "put your fear and hysteria aside" (as Mike said below) until you're the one looking at your injured child.
Yes, of course, the mother or dad should've called 911. But I'm a mom, and when I read this letter, I put myself in the OP's shoes. My first thoughts would've been attending to my child. I can't imagine anyone, parent or otherwise, thinking clearly in a situation like this.
Which is why I sort of agree with Mike about the employees. They might have been paralyzed with fear, struck dumb by the incident and not sure how to respond. But still, someone should've reacted, if only to get a manager there.
And though I understand liability issues, I have a hard time buying that even a call to 911 in an emergency situation is so fraught with legal danger that employees and even managers are not empowered to do it. As someone below pointed out, what if it was a customer who had a heart attack? Does the staff just sit around and watch that person die? What if one of the employees broke their leg? Do they say, "Sorry, it's too much of a liability to call 911 for you"?
Oh, and for those who claim the mother is at fault for not properly securing the car seat, uh, I think she knows that. And if my suspicions are correct, she'll probably live with the guilt for the rest of her life. She doesn't need us piling on more.
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I suspect quite strongly that the folks at the IKEA store have had some communication around "how do we respond to situations like this."
As for "my daughter should have never went without attention" -- the fact is that, as a parent, you have to sometimes put your fear and hysteria aside and do what's best for the kid -- here it's calling 911. Should they have helped? Sure. But it's your kid.
Likewise, there's nothing they could do for the child. None of them have medical training. Unfortunately, the lawyers who rule the universe have made it so that anyone who attempts to help puts themself and their company at huge risk. It's a sad reality, but it's a reality.
Try to focus on the fact that your child is going to be o.k., and not trying to exact a pound of flesh on some poor teenagers who were undoubtedly scared witless as a result of the situation.
You may also want to pick up the phone, call the store manager and say, "my kid was in that horrible accident a few weeks ago, and I wanted to give you guys an update." You might find that it opens a very uncomfortable door to some good communication about what could have gone differently.
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by All About the Branding Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 1:14 PM
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Let's put everything else aside for a minute and focus on one thing: "one of the male employees escorted me out of the store and closed the door behind me."
This alone is inexcusable. I cannot fathom how anyone would think it's appropriate to remove someone from the store with a clearly very hurt child and close the door behind them.
They say I'm tough, but I simply cannot understand this behavior.
I understand how Katie was hysterical (who wouldn't be), but removing her from the store and closing the door behind her (my Ikea has automatic sliding glass doors, but that's besides the point) is an amazing act of aggression. Particularly given the potential injuries to the child.
If the employee did feel that others in the store were in danger due to the hysterical Katie, this is another thing. But I don't think this particular remedy (kicking her out) is a good one.
I know some of you have commented how the fall was Katie's fault. Might be, but Katie hasn't blamed Ikea for the fall.
I know some have said that they can't call 911 unless authorized. "I immediately started screaming for them to please call 911" seems to me to be authorization from the parent to call 911.
People say I'm a touch sonofa... but I must have missed something in this letter because I'm not sure I can see why the reaction to it. What have I missed?
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I agree that the employees need to be dealt with. That they weren't prepared for an accident/emergency probably reflects more on their management/lack of training (and perhaps their youth/immaturity?) than anything else. But their lack of response was inexcusable.
However, how did the baby's car seat just "suddenly [fall] off the cart"? I have to assume that it wasn't securely on the cart, that it was in there rather precariously.
Which puts the responsibility for your child's welfare directly on you.
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by Zan Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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I'm sorry your daughter was hurt, but I don't see why anyone at IKEA should be punished.
You say that four employees HEARD her fall and her screams. Did they actually witness what happened? They heard a baby cry (happens all the time) and then saw you get hysterical. They probably had no idea what was going on and were confused, rather than looking at you like you were stupid. It sounds like a very chaotic scene, and while it probably seemed like a very long time to you before anyone moved, I doubt it took your husband more than a minute or so to call 911 for your child. By the time the employees realized what happened (if they did at all) there wasn't anything for them to do.
You said the employee escorted you out - was that you alone, or you, your husband, and your child? Your child should not have been moved, and if an IKEA employee made you pick her up and take her outside, then I agree that was negligence. But if you were that hysterical, maybe he was trying to get you away from the scene to calm down? Maybe not the best handling of the situation, but this was a retail employee, not a medical or psychological professional.
Again, I'm very, very sorry your daughter was hurt. But what good will punishing a couple of IKEA employees do? I think you're very (understandably) upset by this horrible experience and lashing out at these people unfairly.
How is the baby doing now?
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by Marty5223 Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Just because you didn't sign and accident report doesn't mean that one was not filled out. Incident report that would be. Did the store attach the carseat to the car? Was it a store furnished car seat that detached. The reason I asked why would you think any of this unfortunate accident was the fault of Ikea.
Who called the ambulance that came?
Peahaps your daughter is she suffered injuries can hir and attorney and sue you for not securing the car seat.
Accidents happen. I think this one was probably your carelessness.
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This is a terrying story and I truly hope your daughter is okay.
It seems like the employees could have shown more compassion. I'm not exactly sure how much they were allowed to do or could have done, however. I'm fairly sure they weren't allowed to call 911. Your husband should have done that immediately, but I suspect both of you were in shock and quite upset.
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by helmickr Posted Fri July 11, 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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It's amazing how YOU dont take any responsibility for your babys fall. It's all about what they didnt do to help rectify a situation YOU caused.
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I'm really concerned about this one:
We were out side of the store for a total of 10 minutes from the time he kicked us out and the ambulance got there and took us to the emergency room.
Was the child moved after the accident?
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by p d. Posted Thu July 10, 2008 @ 11:50 PM
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This is a perfect example of why it makes me crazy when I see a baby in one of those seats on top of the cart and not inside it.
One of these days a baby is going to die because of it. Thank God it wasn't yours.
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by SuzieCat Posted Thu July 10, 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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Why in the world are you only asking for an apology?
this company should be paying all current and future medical bills related to this incident.
A fractured skull?? You had the kid in a car seat, granted, not one of those cart seat things, but still, you were being cautious
There is ZERO excuse for this to have happened the way you describe it. I am appalled.
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Ignorant
by Final Score: Boys-3, Girls-1 Wed July 16, 2008 @ 4:34 PM
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Okay
by fight noise pollution Sat July 26, 2008 @ 3:57 PM
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by ♪♪Venice♪♪ Posted Thu July 10, 2008 @ 10:47 PM
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I can only imagine how horrifying this must have been for you. I can't believe something wasn't done to assist you in someway. I wonder why one of the employees didn't immediately call for a manager or someone in authority to call 911 at your request. Escorting you and your injured daughter out of the store is inexcusable. That certainly can't be what they're instructed to do in cases like yours. There must be some kind of policy or plan in place if a customer is injured. They really let you down.
I hope your daughter makes a full recovery.
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Really?
by All About the Branding Fri July 11, 2008 @ 1:20 PM
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by fight noise pollution Posted Sun July 27, 2008 @ 12:15 AM
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No, I didn't say that. Maybe you got me confused with someone else.
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by ♫♫Venice♫♫ Posted Sun July 27, 2008 @ 12:34 AM
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"I could easily imagine a situation where it turned out everything was fine, the ambulance wasn't really needed as much as they originally thought, then trying to get out of paying the bill, which for just an ambulance call is a few hundred."
In the worse case scenario, an employee assesses the situation, determines a 911 call is appropriate, an ambulance arrives but it turns out it is not needed and the customer refuses to pay. Is it not worth a few hundred dollars out of the pocket of a big corporation to possibly save a life? An employee should have enough common sense to recognize a real emergency such as a baby's head hitting a concrete floor, especially when the parents are begging for someone to call 911. Is it not better to err on the side of life, or is more important to possibly save a few hundred bucks?
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No
by fight noise pollution Mon July 28, 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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by ssschoent Posted Thu July 10, 2008 @ 9:09 PM
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Did you get the names of the onlooker employees? Without that they can not repremand. Sorry this happened. The manager needs to be notified everytime something like that happens.
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