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by Nay Posted Sun November 9, 2008 @ 1:19 AM
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A simple way of avoiding a confrontation would have been to have your wife wait in the car while you finished shopping. You were not respecting their policies, hence, take 2 of the request. You can't possibly expect them to make an exception for you.
As for being annoyed that they asked for your ID, you can't speculate about the manager's motives. I would assume they are just following their policy. And does the debit card with your picture on it also have your date of birth? I thought these things were used to verify your identity, not validate that you are "of age."
Anyway, I understand you had a less than satisfying experience with Target. Just keep in mind that rules are rules. If you follow them, your shopping experience should be worry-free.
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What did the manage do wrong? As it sounds like, the manager did everything right. If it is a federal law, then they have to enforce it. NO DOGS equals NO DOGS. Target could get into serious trouble if they sell alcohol to a minor. I looked over 19 (the drinking age in Canada) when I was 16, I was never ID'd. I was in fact used by a newscast in a small town in ontario to see if i could secure beer at 16. Guess what? I went in and bought beer, without being asked to show my ID.
You are the propblem here. You seem to believe that you are exempt from all the rules of the state. I would call the police on you and let them deal with you, since you seem to enjoy breaking the law.
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by not_in_this_life Posted Sat November 1, 2008 @ 2:52 PM
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This is one of my pet peeves. Why do people insist on taking their dogs into stores? What purpose does that serve? Do you want to "Show them off" or something? You have a dog, who cares. So what if he is like family, you can't take him in retail stores (unless it is one that allows pets such as a petstore.) I can understand the attachment issue, but please, leave the dog at home. I'm surprised you weren't escorted out of the store, I would have made sure you were. What makes you think you can just ignore someone telling you to leave their store when you are violating a law? You are not above Target, you did something wrong and it is NOT their fault they called you on it.
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by Cherry O. Posted Fri October 31, 2008 @ 7:45 PM
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Do you live in an alternate universe where "Dogs are not allowed" actually means "Continue wandering around the store with your dog"? I really didn't think it could get clearer than "not allowed," but evidently some people have more difficulty understanding than others. o_O (When you were a kid in school, if a teacher told you that running wasn't allowed in the halls, would you continue to run until you reached your destination? Would you continue chewing disallowed gum until you felt you'd finished the piece? . . . Actually, you probably would. //You shouldn't!//)
Also, LOLZ, they really do need a valid ID. They are not picking on you and your precious pooch. When I worked retail and had to card people, I had to copy specific information, such as driver's license number, before the register would allow me to finish the transaction, and I could not override this. I imagine the woman you encountered was in the same situation.
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by Mindy M. Posted Fri October 24, 2008 @ 9:35 AM
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Joseph, the world does not revolve around you and your dog. There is food in Target. The law is the LAW. LAW. L-A-W LAW Do you understand what that means? I am sick of people bringing thier mutts everywhere. I work in a bank and have to deal with customers bringing thier stinky pets into the branch. I have allergies and have to smile while a wealthy client's 2 large dogs sniff and slobber all over my clothing. I wish there was on oridinace in town or something, it gets ridiculous.
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by burkhagirl Posted Thu October 23, 2008 @ 1:43 PM
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I guess I take it as a compliment when I get carded when I buy booze. Different strokes.
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by Jeff K. Posted Thu October 16, 2008 @ 8:21 PM
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Mr. "M", though I can certainly sympathize with your love for your dog (I have two), I can also sympathize with Retailers' trying to do what they must in what is sometimes a very difficult consumer climate. I was very surprised that you or your wife didn't take your pet outside when first approached my a Target employee...they were entirely correct that he/she should not have remained in the store and were simply trusting that you would do so as soon as you were able. To take offense when they were forced to tell you a second time was simply rude and inconsiderate to THEIR position...these people can lose their jobs or, worse yet, the STORE can lose important certifications that allow them to sell certain merchandise, affecting MANY peoples' jobs. Regarding the cashier's request for an offical ID, most companies no longer accept any ID other than official state-issued ones because debit cards and the like, even with pictures, are simply too easy to duplicate in appearance, even if they aren't functional. I'd have to admit to being occasionally miffed when a clerk requests my ID, but it is, after all, for MY protection that they do this, not just to protect the store. And, again, this requirement was not made-up capriciously by the clerk, she is REQUIRED to do this and would certainly lose her job if she did not...had _I_ been her manager she would have had my complete support, also. If you do not drive, the State of CA offers an Official ID for a very small charge...
Please, Mr."M", I'm aware that we ALL have "bad days" but as a grown man you should be well aware that how we treat each other is ever more important in what can be a very hostile world. We are all "victims" of hostility in some small way and I would like to believe that any thinking person would do what they could to turn this tide, CERTAINLY when referring to such trivial problems as these...how would you feel if the cashier had been your daughter or granddaughter?
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One time i was nice and let a woman and her small dog in the shoe store I managed. She swore she would hold him.
She left, without spending a dollar and I had to clean her dog's urine and feces off the carpet. Never again.
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by Jessica P. Posted Fri October 10, 2008 @ 2:28 AM
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A person who might be allergic to dogs might not feel the same way you do about Target needing to change it's policys. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the manager who seemed all too polite to you and your wife. If you want to complain about the manager, complain about how he/she was trained. People only do what they're told to do. Apparently you must be exempt from that idea.
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by Ricki S. Posted Wed October 8, 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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"I felt like my wife and I were being watched when we didn't do anything wrong."
First of all, you did do something wrong. Stores like Target and Walmart have a strict health code policy that doesn't allow dogs (or other animals for that matter) into there stores for a variety of reasons. I understand that your small dog was in a carrier and is completely clean and well groomed (I have a small dog myself), but I know not to take him into the stores because of the policies. It is better to be in compliance with the rules than to break them. And, because you broke the rule, you received different service than you normally would. Also, regarding the alcohol, stores have now changed their policies on selling it. Anyone who appears to be under the age of 30 (yes, the cashier must be the judge of this) must present an ID in order to purchase the alcohol. I believe the law is called "No ID, No Sale". So to say that the manager was not doing his/her job is completely ridiculous. You were simply too stubborn to follow the rules so you received your less than usual experience. Maybe if you just complied to the rules like the rest of us, this whole situation could have been avoided.
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by X Jiffy Lube Posted Tue October 7, 2008 @ 12:01 PM
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Seriously, I can not believe you would be so arrogant that even after being asked so many times to correct a problem you created that you would then even imply someone else was at fault an you might desearve compensation. It is comical that you would try to use a debt card as a form of ID when it clearly is not. If fact, aren't cashiers supposed to check ID when you use a debt card to make sure that it's yours. Frankly I have a lot more I'd like to tell you but I don't want this reply to be removed by the moderators Do us all a favor and go to the library. Check out a couple books on common curtisy and good manners. Then read them.
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I am in a numbering mood today, so sit back and enjoy
1)Don't swear in a complaint letter. It just makes you look badly, and gets the letter ignored.
2)If you had complied the first time, you would not have been approached multiple times.
3)No, you are not allowed to do as you please simply because you shop there. Should I be allowed erect a tent and camp out in the sporting goods store? After all, I spend a ton of money there on a regular basis!
4)A valid id equals a government issued id. A drivers license, a military id, a state id card. A bank card, student card, AARP card...none of these are issued by the government, therefore none of these meet the qualification for "valid id"
5)You state, "If a person looks over the age of 21, they should not be required to show their ID." That's not Target's call. That is something you'll have to take up with the ATF. Good luck.
I am looking forward to hearing their reply right along with you. Please share when they do send one.
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OK, so the team member TOLD you "No Dogs Allowed" and you said "Fine" but continued on with the dog in tow!
THEN. . . .
As if that weren't unbelievable enough, then when the cashier tried to VERIFY YOUR AGE you hand her a credit card with a photo on it?
There are SOOOOO many things I could say about the atrociousness of this letter,but they'd just get yanked, so I'll stick to the facts.
I don't care how clean YOU think your dog is, I don't want to buy my son a pair of pants and find dog hair on it. Let alone the food items they sell. It IS a law and a health code violation as well. Unless that dog is a service dog, it can't be in the store, PERIOD! You're lucky they didn't get their AP staff involved with your smug butt and call the cops on you!
Secondly, I know LOTS of people who are over 21 and don't look it. I also know plenty of people UNDER 21 who look older. The new rule of thumb is that if you don't walk into the store with grey hair and a walker, you're getting carded for booze. No exceptions.
I am SO glad you don't live in my state.
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by KamenRiderOsaka Posted Mon October 6, 2008 @ 12:35 AM
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So, by your logic, anyone who looks 21 should not be ID'd for alcohol? There are quite a few teenagers who do not look like their age, and this can cause companies to be fined quite a bit of cash, and even be shut down for selling alcohol to minors. My husband did not look his age at 18, he looked a few years older.
As for the dog, I'm not sure about your Target, but the one I go to has a sign saying "No animals except service animals." When you were approached about the dog, that should have been someone's cue to leave and wait in the car with the dog for the shopping trip to be over, or leave and come back at another time without the dog.
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by vzjackl1 Posted Sun October 5, 2008 @ 7:16 AM
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I feel this manager was ANYTHING but incapable!! I know that most if not all stores that sell food have signs saying NO DOGS except for service animals!! this clearly was not the case! so this manager was very simply doing his job, and should be commended!!
the ID issue... i just want to say DUH!!! of course they are not going to accept a debit card or a credit card as an valid ID!! GREAT! good for you, it has your picture on it, but it is STILL missing the most vital piece of information... YOUR DATE OF BIRTH!! to me it sounds like the manager was NOT retaliating against you because of the dog, but YOU in fact were acting like a petulant child because of the dog incident!! I am sorry but i think YOU were 100% in the wrong here, and the Target manager did NOTHING wrong!
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by anonymous consumer Posted Fri October 3, 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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Well gee, it's great that you aren't demanding any compensation. Considering YOU ARE THE ONE AT FAULT!
I can't believe you had the nerve to send that letter.
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I USED TO bring my 7 pound shih tzu with me to Target and other stores. And I was not the only one. However, one day out of the blue, no one was allowed to have a dog with them at Target and the other places I would frequent. No big deal, I need a break from her anyway for a couple hours a day. I always thought it was odd they let me bring her in with no problems, then they started to enforce the issue as they should have.
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sorry
by Katseyes Thu October 2, 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Imagine that!
by Final Score: Boys-3, Girls-1 Thu October 2, 2008 @ 8:27 PM
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by ArcticChicken Posted Thu October 2, 2008 @ 1:23 AM
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I agree, that manger was incapable. He should have kicked you out and had you banned the moment you refused to remove the dog. You were violating not only Target policy, but the law, and so was he for allowing it to continue. Are you willing to pay the thousands of dollars the store is fined for allowing such violations? I guarantee that you do not spend enough money in that store to make it worth their while.
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by starla671 Posted Thu October 2, 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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Don't most Targets sell grocery items now? If that's the case, then it would be a health violation.
Thinking that you could use your picture debit card as ID to buy alcohol is foolish! It's a state law that you have to show a state issued ID to purchase alcohol or tobacco.
Sounds to me like the manager of that store did a good job that day.
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by Alissa S. Posted Wed October 1, 2008 @ 8:52 PM
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I'm just sorry they didn't call the police to haul you and your little dog out the first time you disobeyed. I guess next week you'll want to bring your pet python to Target, which will be ok as long as you carry it. Will your pet tiger be next?
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by red0596 Posted Wed October 1, 2008 @ 8:44 PM
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Sounds like a very CAPABLE manager to me. He was following state laws and store policies. How is that incapable? It sounds like you are the incapable one. Incapable of understanding that you are not above state laws, you have to comply with them. The only retail stores that allow non-service animals are stores like Pet-Smart. Get it? It has pet in it's name, therefore dogs are allowed.
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by Kelshir Posted Wed October 1, 2008 @ 7:49 PM
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I have to agree with most of the posters below.
You did not say your pet was a service animal and nothing was mentioned that makes it sound like one. Most stores do not allow non-service animals inside, period. You have no "right" to bring a pet into any store, ever (exception being service animals).
Most places require ID for anyone looking under 30ish. STATE ID, a debit card (which can be acquired at age 18, well under 21) is not a valid form of ID. If you are unable to show ID (which everyone in a group may be required to show ID) then the store IS NOT allowed to sell you alcohol.
From what I could find, it might not have been a health code violation (it would fall into a gray area if they had a dining/snack area inside); however, most businesses do not allow pets.
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by Floyd4456 Posted Wed October 1, 2008 @ 12:34 PM
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He is following the law?
Aren't SERVICE ANIMALS the only allowed in stores?
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by dg132001 Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 11:13 PM
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Wow. Just FYI, most retail stores DO NOT allow dogs in. Your total disregard for their rules and policies is ridiculous. Why would you not have a state issued picture ID on you? Did you walk to Target? I'm sure if you got pulled over the police officer would have an issue if you attempted to show him your debit card. The stores only mistake was not having you removed from the building by security as soon as you completely ignored them on the first request to remove your dog. The manager in this situation was very capable. If something happened with your dog, and it bit someone, or peed on the floor and someone slipped, Target would have been held liable. Additionally, you had no concerns for other people with allergies, etc. One last thought - when I worked as a retail manager I had a customer come into the store with a huge dog carry case, walking around the store. I refused to allow him to continue to shop unless he removed it - because of not only the dog, but the possibility to shoplift items in the carry case as well. Maybe you should shop at Wal Mart in the future instead of Target!!
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by cissy Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 9:10 PM
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If ever in that neck this is where I will shop. I am impressed with management but can't believe your selfish illregard to a policy then continue to "pooh pooh". I will say it again... Dogs don't need to go shopping (unless it is to Petsmart) or a trained, identified assistance animal. Get over it by taking the dog for a WHAT a walk!
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by SusanB Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 6:53 PM
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Oh for crying out loud - - Target does not allow dogs in their stores (except for service dogs of which yours isn't) and also has the right to ask for proper ID (which includes a photo and date of birth) from anyone purchasing alcohol. It doesn't matter if you are a regular customer at Target - - rules apply to everyone.
My favorite part of this post is "I felt like my wife and I were being watched when we didn't do anything wrong".
I think the manager did an outstanding job - - the only thing she could have done better was to have security escort you you and your wife (and the dog) out of the store when you ignored being told the dog wasn't allowed.
If I were you, I wouldn't be looking forward to Target's reply.
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Good point
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by Jeffrey/Branding/Alex Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 3:35 PM
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...and buy weapons. But that doesn't mean that I should buy a gun and shoot up a Target, does it?
Like I said below, if you don't like the law, then work to have it changed. Don't blame Target.
And, Katseyes, if it's really important to you, then lobby for laws to make it illegal to bring children into stores.
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by Katseyes Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 4:23 PM
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To compare guns to dogs, I am deeply hurt.. He's here with me at work and he is the sweetest little snuggle muffin.
I love my dog with all my heart and will do whatever necessary to have him with me. If I have to charm, bribe or berate others I will have my way.
I never claimed my dog was a service animal but could and so can others. If people can scam a good parking spot others can scam the system to allow their dogs to be with them.
Dogs don't vote and someday the little brats will so it's a futile effort to lobby politicians.
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Anything?
by D. R. Tue September 30, 2008 @ 5:06 PM
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Agreed!
by Maegan Z. Tue September 30, 2008 @ 6:08 PM
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by Katseyes Thu October 2, 2008 @ 12:13 PM
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by Katseyes Wed October 1, 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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Allergies
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by Expatriate Erik Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 10:54 AM
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"Today I was shopping at your Target Store in San Jose, California. I am extremely appalled at your customer service level and where it has gotten in the past couple of years."
Do tell me more.
"I was with my wife and her dog. We were carrying the dog in a dog carrier making sure he was never on the floor."
Because, as everyone knows, that's why places of business don't want dogs on their premises - because they touch floors.
"We were approached by a Target employee and were told that dogs are not allowed in the store. I told him that that's fine, and I continued my shopping."
So it's "fine" that their policy is no dogs, but apparently not fine enough for you to, you know, remove your dog from their store like they asked you to. I'll have to try that next time I'm told to put out my cigarette at a restaurant. That's fine. I'll be sure to stop smoking once I'm done eating.
"When I approached to the cash registers, I was told again, by a manager, that dogs were not allowed. I replied that I have already been approached and the dog will leave when I finish my shopping. The manager went on saying that I must take him out because of health code violations and that it's not just a Target law but a state law. I do not appreciate being approached about the same thing in one shopping trip."
Yeah, I hate being told to do something twice when I specifically didn't listen when I was told the first time.
"I spend thousands of dollars a year at this corporation and if I feel like bringing my very clean dog in the store, I damn right should be able to."
I wasn't aware that Target had a "bring your dog to the store" policy for their frequent shoppers. I wonder how much I'd have to spend a year at Target to gain the right to drive my car into the store.
"Next, I was purchasing alcohol and the manager asked for my ID. I showed her my debit card because it has a picture on it, but she said she needed to see a valid ID. "
I have a photo of my wife and I in my wallet. By your standards, would that also qualify as valid ID? After all, it has my picture on it.
"I was furious at this point. I felt that she was angry with me because I would not take my dog out."
Now why would she be angry about something as inconsequential as you blatantly ignoring her requests?
"My wife made a comment of her waking up on the wrong side of bed, which she quickly said, "No. This is a federal law. I am required to ask for ID." If a person looks over the age of 21, they should not be required to show their ID."
Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
"The manager then walked off and notified the security. I felt like my wife and I were being watched when we didn't do anything wrong."
Other than, you know, bringing an animal into the store.
"I am a regular customer at Target and I do not feel as if I was treated like one."
Why? They didn't exchange goods for your money?
"I do not want compensation for this trip."
Fantastic news, guy. You're not getting any.
"However, I would like you guys to reconsider hiring managers who are incapable of doing their jobs."
Target has a policy of hiring managers who are incapable of doing their jobs? That seems like a poor business plan.
"I also would like you guys to allow dogs in the store if they are carried."
That would seem to solve your problems. Up until you try to bring your horse with you next time.
"Looking forward to your Reply,
Joesph M."
Also looking forward to their Reply,
Eirk H.
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by D. R. Tue September 30, 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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by ~Fiƒi-la-ƒlea~ Fri October 3, 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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by Final Score: Boys-3, Girls-1 Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 10:08 AM
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Your dog is a PET, not an accessory or a baby, so unless you are disabled, leave it at home. I love my pet too, but wouldn't bring him into a store, in a purse, on a leash, or in my arms. Some people are afraid of dogs (especially the little "dog-cessories, because they yip and nip), and others are allergic.
I know that at my place of business, we are required to card everyone who looks under 40. That way, there's no room for error. Some of the recreational places in my area, like the concert arenas and theme parks, card everyone, even senior citizens.
Sounds to me like this manager is VERY good at doing her job, but you are mad because you were not given special treatment simply because you feel the rules do not apply to you.
One thing the manager did not do that she should have: call security and have you, your wife, and your dog thrown out of the store.
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by mandalin Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 8:49 AM
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You are way out of line! First about the dog thing- you had already been asked, you should have complied. No matter how clean or well behaved your dog may be, it is a dog and is not allowed within their retail store. Secondly, the policy usually is that any customer that looks under 30 will get ID'd for alcohol purchases. And of course you have to show a government issued ID to buy it! That manager did the right thing in protecting her store and her job.
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by Nicole F. Posted Tue September 30, 2008 @ 1:09 AM
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Personally, I think people should leave pets at home when they go out shopping, unless they are going into a pet store, such as Petland. I saw someone in my store the other day with their dog in a little pet carrier. The dog growled at me and I was standing five feet away. I feel that if you have a dog that growls at people, it doesn't need to be brought into a store where there will be many people.
Also, your complaint about the requirement of ID should be taken up with the federal government, not Target. The picture on your debit card is not a valid ID. They want your ID so they can assess your age.
You should have removed your pet the moment you were told to. When you refused, twice, I feel that you were trespassing and if I was the manager, I would have notified security and had you removed from the store.
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by Nikki37 Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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So basically, you want to be exempt from state laws.. Sounds reasonable.. If you are actually serious about this you should contact your lawmakers and put away the attitude. Only service animals are allowed in most places!! You have so show your a valid ID (state/goverment issued w/ a photo and listed DOB) to get alcohol in most places. This manager was DOING his job! I don't know where you live, but take off the rose colored glasses and know that STATE LAWS apply to everyone!
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by DSG12 Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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I'm sure Target will be sad to see you go...
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by Donno Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 8:19 PM
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Excellent. I am certain they will agree you deserve nothing at all when they read this letter.
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You know, I stopped reading the posts half way down, so excuse me for repeathing the obvious.
You obviously have a very inflated sense of your own importance to say that you should be able to violate a corporate (not to mention health code!) policy just because you want to.
If I ever find myself in San Jose (and I believe I will in the not-too distant future at the Women of Faith conference next year!) I will make it a point to shop at that Target that stands up for ALL customers by refusing to be tread upon by some!
Way to go Target!
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by Blackrack Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 7:59 PM
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1. The store rules apply to you, too.
2. So do federal laws.
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by ♫Venice♫ Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 7:28 PM
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Considering you've spent thousands of dollars at Target, it's safe to assume you've been in the store many, many times, right? How could you not have known dogs were not permitted in the store and that you needed proper ID to purchase alcohol? Your letter makes it sound like this was your first visit to Target, but that can't be possible since you've spent so much money there. Unless, of course, your purchases were made online, which (as someone else said) might be a better option for you, your wife and her dog.
Also, aren't you required to show proper ID at other places where you purchase alcohol?
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by PepperElf Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 7:25 PM
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Obviously the dog wasn't a service animal, therefore it wasn't allowed by law.
Likewise, most stores have policies that if you look to be 25 (even 30 in some stores) you still have to show ID. Additionally some states require ID regardless of how old you look.
So... you're mad at Target for not breaking the law for you?
Hell that just makes me want to shop at that Target. I dislike it when people think, "I'm special - laws don't apply to me."
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Ohio, too
by SuzieCat Mon September 29, 2008 @ 8:24 PM
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by Marty5223 Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 6:11 PM
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Sounds like a case of you are going to do whatever you like. Sound like a Paris Hilton post to me.
Target sells food...you were in violation of Health Dept rules. Take that up with the county health Dept. not TARGET if you don't like the rules.
You are required to show a valid ID to buy alchol. They are checking date of birth not your picture.
Security should of escorted you off the propety and told you not to come back.
If you like shopping with your dog so much put him in your lap and sit at your computer at home and shop TARGET.COM.
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You know you were wrong so do not act as if you were not. You blatantly kept your animal in the store when you were asked not to. You should apologize to Target and the employees at this store for being so rude.
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by C-Dro Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 5:18 PM
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I bet if OP had extreme pet allergies he would NOT feel people must be allowed on private (yes a store is private property) with a dog just for fun and giggles. Service animals I understand, random dogs no so much.
As for the ID, have you looked at teenagers lately? I am 26 and don't look a day over 17. I see HIgh School age kids all the time that look over 21. Debit card is not an ID and you knew that.
WAY TO BE NEEDLESSLY DIFFICULT AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS YOUR OWN FAULT.
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Contrary to your statement, this manager seems QUITE CAPABLE of treating you as you deserve.
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by Wolf Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 2:28 PM
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So what you are saying is you are above the LAW? Regular (meaning NOT Service Dogs) are NOT ALLOWED. There are signs on the door, at least there are where I am. There are many people that look over 21 that are not. Looks are not a Guarantee of age.
As stated before, there are people that fear or are allergic to dogs. How would you feel if someone near you when in to shock and DIED because of your dog? Would you pay the fees for the hospital and memorial? I don't think so. NORMAL DOGS DO NOT BELONG IN A NON-PET STORE! Period, end of story.
I would call the Cops myself on you if you didn't leave when a manager asked you too. I have done it before.
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"We were approached by a Target employee and were told that dogs are not allowed in the store. I told him that that's fine, and I continued my shopping."
Those two sentences say it all.
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by Jeffrey/Branding/Alex Posted Mon September 29, 2008 @ 11:00 AM
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Joseph/Judy,
How would you define the job of the store manager? Seems like staying in compliance with the law would be priority 1 for a manager. No?
If you don't like the laws, you should definitely contest them. But not with Target. Contact the San Jose city government to determine if the "no animals" law is a city, county, state, or Federal law. Then, once you know that, you can contact the proper person (city council, state legislator) and ask that they consider overturning the law.
Ditto with the "state issued ID only" rule.
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I can't stand people who thing that their little dogs need to be brought everywhere. Unless your dog is a service dog....leave it at home.
It is law to show your ID when you are purchasing alcohol, at any age. Showing your ID should be no problem, since you should have it on you anyways.
Nobody gave you a hard time, you were not given anything other than what you deserved.
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Pets are not allowed in my store. The only dogs allowed are Seeing eye dogs, or ones in training with documentation.
Texas state law requires ID-ing anyone that purchases alcohol that appears to be under 40 years of age. The ID is to be a US passport, Drivers License or State Isssued ID, A Debit card tells the cashier nothing.
Good Day
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by ♫Venice♫ Posted Sun September 28, 2008 @ 11:39 PM
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It sounds like the manager was doing her job just fine. The only way she could have done it better would have been to ask security to escort you, your wife and her dog out of the store when you refused to obey the law.
And speaking of laws, you seem to think you're above them. Dogs not being allowed in the store and requiring ID for the purchase of alcohol are LAWS! It has nothing to do with Target's policies. You're barking up the wrong tree (pun intended). You and your wife DID do something wrong, which is exactly why you WERE treated like all the other regular customers. Why should you be allowed to do things the rest of the regular customers are prohibited from doing?
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by Michelle O. Posted Sun September 28, 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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Most retailers sell food of some sort. Also, other customers complain about dogs - they are not viewed by everyone with the same adoring eye we pet owners see them with. I have often "looked the other way" when customers shop with dogs in carriers, as you did, however, in more than one instance that has come back to haunt me when other customers complained.
Pets belong at Petco or Petsmart - in places that cater to pets.
It was disrespectful of you and your wife to ignore their associate when you were informed that your dog wasn't welcome and I can't believe that you are writing a letter to complain.
Also, it is unlikely, in my opinion, that you were unaware how difficult you were being when asked to show ID. You know why they were asking and you know that the picture on your debit card does not verify your age. You don't have to show ID - don't elect to buy alcohol and issue avoided. Want to buy something age controlled, show your ID.
Geez.
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