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Unlock the GPS on Windows Mobile Phones Verizon!!!

Posted Mon March 9, 2009 6:19 pm, by Adam W. written to Verizon Wireless (Cell Phones)

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I would like Verizon Wireless to stop being so money hungry and unlock the GPS on my Samsung Omnia. The phone has a fully functional GPS capability and your company has chosen to limit the function to VZ Navigator only. Has it ever occurred to anyone at VZW that VZ Navigator is not useful to some people? I live in NYC and do not own a car. I have no use for a feature like VZ Navigator. I do however, have use for software such as Google Maps. I use it now without GPS but it would be much better with GPS enabled. There is also a lot of other software out there that could be used with GPS. Unfortunately, since VZW has no way to make money off that software they don't want people to use it.

Stop crippling my phone for your own selfish reasons.


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by Adam W. Posted Tue April 7, 2009 @ 10:11 PM

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1515861

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by PepperElf Posted Wed March 25, 2009 @ 3:33 AM

that's why i got a handheld garmin instead

it's not cheap, but... it's a one-time purchase for the unit. after
that, i can check my location as much as I want without paying for
anything except the electricity to run it.

and, i've been told it's more accurate than the phone GPS apps

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As I stated by Adam W. Wed March 25, 2009 @ 4:58 PM


sorry can't help you then by PepperElf Fri March 27, 2009 @ 6:41 PM

by Nate. Posted Thu March 12, 2009 @ 8:24 PM

What it sounds like is you have another app that will tap in to the
GPS antenna or whatever you want to call it. Why would Verizon allow
another sort of GPS related app to tap in to the GPS when they can
charge you for their own service?

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GPS is not only used for naviagtion. by Adam W. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 9:11 PM

by Ben G. Posted Thu March 12, 2009 @ 1:02 PM

is reading and looking into all features of it before signing it (this
includes checking out the equipment and making sure all questions are
answered before the sale).

Because you have the free right to shop for phone service where you
want to, you need to assert the responsibility of the place you choose
to go with. This mean abiding by:

A. Their equipment (including the UI)
B. Their terms
C. Their contract rates.

There are no rights without responsibility. Is it selfish for VZW to
lock out GPS and make you pay for navigator? Maybe.

But it does not mean they should have to change because it was not
properly researched by the user.

The problem is people think that they have an individual right, but
put the responsibility of that right on everyone else (namely trying
to make the phone carrier change to make that person happy).


Its a bad craziness that is starting to fill this country.


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by The PlanetFeedback Team Posted Thu March 12, 2009 @ 1:26 PM

What you just described is the essence of the customer/business
relationship.

The letter writer isn't asking for his money back - he's simply
providing feedback to Verizon Wireless about one of their products.

Without feedback, how in the world would a company know what their
customers thought about their products?

Without feedback, how would a company know there was a potential issue
with their product?

Without feedback, how would a company have the opportunity to identify
an issue and correct it? Or, better yet, improve it?

Verizon Wireless can make whatever business decisions they wish
regardless of the feedback they receive. However, to suggest that
customers not tell companies what they think about their products and
services is to cut off a vital lifeline that must be in place in order
for companies to move forward.

One huge example of this is AOL. For a long time, AOL was THE internet
product of choice for mass market consumers. Yet they fell from that
perch and fell hard. Why? Because they didn't listen to their
customers and react fast enough. Offering a "walled garden" experience
was ok for awhile but eventually their customers wanted more access to
the internet at large and provided a TON of feedback on the matter.
AOL, in their arrogance, didn't react and the result was a mass
migration away from their product. AOL had every right to keep their
product the same and not change just to make someone happy yet, in the
end, it cost them big time. And by the time they did start making
changes, it was too late and now they're really nothing but a shell of
their former selves.

It's well known that, out of all the carriers, Verizon Wireless is the
most restrictive when it comes to letting their customers enjoy the
full capabilities of their phones. At the moment, that hasn't hurt
them too badly because, frankly, the mass market consumer doesn't
really care about being able to use the native GPS on their phone nor
is there a huge market for using the phone as a GPS navigation device
as opposed to using the stand alone GPS devices which have flooded the
automobile market.

Yet, feedback like Adam's is the early warning system which should
alert Verizon Wireless that there is a growing segment of users who do
value such capabilities. And, from the sound of it, Verizon has
listened and is going to be less restrictive in the future regarding
the native GPS capabilities on their phones.

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It didn't sound like feedback by Ben G. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 2:15 PM


Sure sounds like feedback to us by The PlanetFeedback Team Thu March 12, 2009 @ 2:21 PM


Ben by ♫Venice♫ Thu March 12, 2009 @ 5:28 PM

This has nothing to do with a contract by Adam W. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 6:13 PM


And in this case... by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Fri March 13, 2009 @ 9:52 AM

So anytime something has a small flaw I shouldn't buy it? by Adam W. Fri March 13, 2009 @ 2:12 PM

My issue which has been the same from the beginning by Ben G. Wed March 18, 2009 @ 11:08 AM

I knew the GPS didn't work by Adam W. Wed March 18, 2009 @ 7:59 PM

I'll rephrase since my comment was removed by Ben G. Thu March 19, 2009 @ 4:21 PM

It is both a complain and feedback by Adam W. Thu March 19, 2009 @ 4:50 PM

There is... by Ben G. Thu March 19, 2009 @ 9:32 PM


If you know about the flaw.. by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Mon March 23, 2009 @ 11:43 AM

They didn't "unlock" it by Adam W. Mon March 23, 2009 @ 12:16 PM


But they did unlock it.. by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Mon March 23, 2009 @ 2:00 PM

Which phone? by Adam W. Mon March 23, 2009 @ 2:26 PM
by Adam W. Posted Thu March 12, 2009 @ 9:25 PM

Technology is based on what the customer WANTS. If VZW continues to
come out with phones with disabled features then people will start
leaving VZW.

There have been bad ideas in technology in the past. Does anyone
remember when Circuit City introduced DIVX (not the same as today's
DIVX.) It was a DVD that needed to be hooked up to a special DVD
player that had a modem and would allow you to "purchase" the DVD at
Circuit City but you could only watch it for a certain amount of time
since you rented it.

Complicated? Sure is, Bad idea? Sure is. Where is Circuit City today?


The company then went and got rid of all the items in the store. When
you walked into one you saw TV's but no cables. They were hard to
find. Retailers make a larger profit on cables then on TV's yet they
thought it was a good idea to hide them where nobody would see them.
I'm getting off track here but even I could have told them that was a
bad idea.

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by jeishere Posted Thu March 12, 2009 @ 9:23 AM

I am a Verizon customer and know that Verizon does lock out a lot of
features that are built into the phone by the manufacture. The even
put their own screens and menus on the phones. So someone with Razr
phone with another carrier has a much different UI (the manufactures)
than I do on my phone (Verizon's UI). They do lock out the GPS
functionality on many phones so you have to buy the VZ Navigator and
pay $9.99/month instead of using google maps for free.

It really doesn't matter if the OP knew about this beforehand or not.
It something he doesn't like about Verizon and as a customer (probably
locked in a contract) he has the right the express his concern.

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The difference here.. by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Thu March 12, 2009 @ 10:53 AM

I havn't read all the comments... by jeishere Thu March 12, 2009 @ 3:00 PM

Why would I want to switch carriers? by Adam W. Fri March 13, 2009 @ 2:14 PM

by Casmly Posted Wed March 11, 2009 @ 6:59 PM

I'm sorry, but if you had that much of an issue with "locked"
features, why didn't you purchase an unlocked phone? My husband
purchased unlocked phones for us a few years back. They worked well
and did what they were meant to do. When I purchased a phone a couple
of months back, I decided to go with a blackberry that my provider was
offering for $50 rather than purchase another unlocked phone. Why?
Because it was cheaper for me to do so and I decided I didn't need the
"locked" features.

It isn't as if the company isn't providing you with some alternative
correct? The alternative to purchase an unlocked cell phone through
the manufacturer or a 3rd party?

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You have it all wrong by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 9:10 PM


Then I actually do see your point... by Casmly Thu March 12, 2009 @ 4:19 PM


by RedheadwGlasses Posted Wed March 11, 2009 @ 12:20 PM

I'm assuming you were aware of these limitations when you purchased
the phone?

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I was by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 1:06 PM


So tell us again by MA Cunningham Thu March 12, 2009 @ 8:43 AM

I'm complaining because..... by Adam W. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 6:16 PM

by Nate. Posted Tue March 10, 2009 @ 8:37 PM

If there is a certain service you need, then you should pay for it.
This information was most likely provided to you when you entered the
agreement that for GPS service, you need "VZ Navigator".

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It doesn't work the way you are thinking it works by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 8:46 AM

Even if it did work this way..... by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 8:55 AM

in other words by Dru Wed March 11, 2009 @ 2:49 PM

huh? by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 4:07 PM

what's hard to understand? it's really simple by Dru Wed March 11, 2009 @ 8:03 PM

You still don't get it by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 9:35 PM

fine by Dru Wed March 11, 2009 @ 11:36 PM

I don't have all the answers by Adam W. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 12:21 AM

by Just Jeffrey Posted Tue March 10, 2009 @ 12:53 PM

It is selfish of them. So what? They are a business. That's how
business works.

If you don't like it, then you should certainly stop giving them your
money. If enough people stop giving VW business, then maybe they'll
change this.

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The phone is the best there is by Adam W. Tue March 10, 2009 @ 8:03 PM


I'm not saying that you're wrong. by Just Jeffrey Wed March 11, 2009 @ 7:05 AM

Would you say the same if your ISP blocked certain websites by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 8:50 AM


Yes, and I would take my business elsewhere. (n/t) by Just Jeffrey Wed March 11, 2009 @ 2:06 PM

Why is that always the answer? by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 9:37 PM


You're right. by Just Jeffrey Thu March 12, 2009 @ 10:54 AM

They are supposed to be selfish? by Adam W. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 6:22 PM


Businesses have been "selfish" for thousands of years. by Just Jeffrey Fri March 20, 2009 @ 6:39 PM

And at some point the government will step in by Adam W. Sat March 21, 2009 @ 3:46 PM


Except that... by Just Jeffrey Sun March 22, 2009 @ 8:11 AM

It won't be limited to GPS by Adam W. Sun March 22, 2009 @ 8:42 PM


On this, you may be right. by Just Jeffrey Mon March 23, 2009 @ 8:51 PM


Why? by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Wed March 11, 2009 @ 8:15 AM

Not on the Samsung website by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 8:49 AM


by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Posted Mon March 9, 2009 @ 9:37 PM

Adam..you know they are not going to do this no matter how many people
ask. NYC is so easy to find your way around, you don't need any of
that!

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I am not sure what you mean? by Adam W. Tue March 10, 2009 @ 2:06 AM


Queens is super easy... by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Tue March 10, 2009 @ 9:44 AM

Still doesn't help with subway directions. by Adam W. Tue March 10, 2009 @ 12:12 PM


How on earth by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Wed March 11, 2009 @ 10:40 AM

You are missing the point by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 10:57 AM


You bought a phone.. by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Wed March 11, 2009 @ 4:10 PM

Why do you care? by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 5:53 PM


I don't care... by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Thu March 12, 2009 @ 8:15 AM

I'm here to tell them it's a bad idea by Adam W. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 6:24 PM


Apparently not too many.. by Taz Has Joined Harley In Heaven Thu March 12, 2009 @ 8:36 PM

Check out Howardforums by Adam W. Thu March 12, 2009 @ 9:17 PM

I don't think you understand how Google Maps works by Adam W. Wed March 11, 2009 @ 10:59 AM




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