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No Posted Policy for Reading Magazines at Target

Posted Mon March 23, 2009 12:00 pm, by eduardo j. written to Target

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On March 22, 2009, I went to Target store 1816 in El Centro CA. I went to get a car magazine, Hot Rod, my favorite. As soon as I took the magazine {I'm not gonna lie to you I read an article, but who does not read magazines} when a little man with such a bad attitude asked me to stop reading the magazine and suggested me to place it back to the shelf because it was not fair for Target having a guest like me {he basically called me thief} TO READ magazines without been paid. Long story short, I let him know that there was no sign supporting what he told me and I said to him that I was not liking the way he was treating me. He did not care.

First of all, if this is a store policy they have to let their customers know about it by putting a header sign or any kind of sign on top of their magazines so the customers don't have to go through this unfair treatments. After all that guy {store manager} has a job thanks to customers just like you and me ...thank you


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by Despina83 Posted Sun August 16, 2009 @ 1:04 AM

This is one of the rare times when I disagree with most of the
responses. I've seen plenty of people flipping through magazines at
the store and have done so myself. There is nothing wrong with doing
so.

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by Cubjunkie Posted Sun March 29, 2009 @ 6:15 PM

There is also no posted policy that I can't drop my pants and pee all
over the floor but common sense tells me it's wrong.

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That doesn't even make any sense by Adam W. Sun March 29, 2009 @ 6:42 PM


I can't believe... by ♫Venice♫ Sun March 29, 2009 @ 6:49 PM

Bookstores and Target by Cubjunkie Sun March 29, 2009 @ 10:20 PM


I don't think it's wrong for the reasons I previously stated by ♫Venice♫ Sun March 29, 2009 @ 11:29 PM

Who says book stores are reading places? by Adam W. Mon March 30, 2009 @ 9:00 AM


According to Marty on the Gay letter by Nate. Mon March 30, 2009 @ 5:59 PM

LOL! by Cherry O. Tue April 14, 2009 @ 6:23 PM

Re: No Posted Policy for Reading Magazines at Target by anonymous consumer Sat March 28, 2009 @ 12:36 AM


Agreed! by Nate. Sun March 29, 2009 @ 5:23 PM


Then why does Barnes & Noble have tables and chairs set up for this purpose? by BellaSera Mon March 30, 2009 @ 2:13 PM

by ♫Venice♫ Posted Mon March 30, 2009 @ 4:16 PM

I never understood this practice. Why WOULD bookstores encourage
people to sit around and read with no guarantee that they'd buy
something? Personally, I think this is an idea that backfired. The
last time I was in B&N, it looked like a used book store. The magazine
section alone was such a mess, I wouldn't even consider buying one.
And, as I said in another post, it's hard to find a book that isn't
manhandled. If this is the way bookstores want to operate, then the
books should be wrapped, leaving one open for viewing. Some people
actually go to a bookstore to purchase a book and want that book to be
in excellent condition. That's hard to do when people in the store are
eating, drinking and handling the books. I guess I just don't get it.

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by ♫Venice♫ Posted Mon March 30, 2009 @ 4:23 PM

Looking at a magazine or book is one thing, but once a customer
actually sits down to read the book while having a snack, I think
that's the point at which it belongs to them and should be paid for
because, in my opinion, that book is used and should not be put back
on the shelf.

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by LadyMac Posted Tue March 31, 2009 @ 9:10 PM

I think the reason is that if I sit down and look at a book while I'm
working on a cup of coffee and the book "grabs" me, I will buy it ~ no
questions asked. The kinds of books I usually read have hundreds of
pages and even I don't read fast enough to make it through one of
those in the time it takes to drink one latte. But I usually know
within 15 pages if I have any interest in continuing.

Plus while I'm sitting there, Mom or Kiddo may be roaming around
looking at stuff ~ and I am a sucker when it comes to buying books for
anyone!

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The problem is... by ♫Venice♫ Tue March 31, 2009 @ 11:20 PM


That always has baffled me... by Nate. Mon March 30, 2009 @ 5:58 PM

by Applejacker Posted Fri March 27, 2009 @ 1:20 AM

I believe there is NO posted policy about opening a package of
Ding-Dongs or Twinkies and trying a few before considering buying them
too! Those scoundrels!

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by myswtghst Posted Thu March 26, 2009 @ 3:16 PM

1) I agree with many below - this isn't a "Target policy," but rather
something that should be common sense. I don't think it really would
be worth it for Target to post a sign, because 99% of people would
ignore it anyhow, and still balk if an employee called them out, even
with the "policy" posted in plain sight.

2) After reading through all the comparisons and comments about theft
below, I have some thoughts. The big thing that struck me is that
people seem to have different opinions as far as "how much reading is
too much" prior to paying for the magazine.

To me, if you flip through it, maybe peruse the table of contents and
a few pages to get a feel, you're fine. That's similar (as some said)
to reading the instructions on a box or briefly trying on a garment.

However, if you stand there for more than 5 minutes, obviously reading
and absorbing the material, then leave without paying, you now have
that information in your brain, but did not pay for it. Which, to me,
is kind of stealing.

The other thing here is that the manager / employee had no way of
knowing if the OP was going to pay for the magazine in the end, or was
just going to stand there all night reading and leave without buying a
single thing.

If the manager was outright rude, then the complaint should focus on
that. What he told you, however, was nothing that should have come as
a surprise, or is worthy of a complaint.

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by CrazyRedHead Posted Wed March 25, 2009 @ 2:41 PM

I was in Walmart this morning and wanted to pick up a copy of the
recent running magazine. When I got home and opened it up, I started
reading a very interesting article. I never got to finish reading the
article. Apparently, someone decided to rip another article out of
the magazine, which was on the other side of what I was reading. I
took it back and exchanged it for another complete magazine. I was
surprised that I was able to. This is why stores don't like you
reading magazines that you haven't paid for yet. BTW, I was very nice
when I went to return it, mostly cause I wasn't expecting them to.

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by MayDay Posted Wed March 25, 2009 @ 10:58 AM

In my retail days, we would find ripped up magazines in the rack,
people who look thru have to bend the pages to turn them instead of
gently rolling the page etc. Maybe all mags should have a plastic wrap
on them. But then the magazine ppl would be harrassed for not "going
green".

Another situation, ppl opening up packages of socks, underwear,
tshirts to check out size. Then deciding they don't want an open one
and buy a brand new pack or just leaving the opened one. They have an
easy open tab in the back, no need to rip the damn thing.Stores have
to claim a loss on so many perfectly fine items b/c people have to
destroy stuff they have no intention on buying.

A couple months ago while shopping for a dirt devil, some lady had
about 3 boxes of these opened and going thru the contents then left
leaving all of it in shambles.


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Excellent by Donno Wed March 25, 2009 @ 11:43 AM

I hate that! by Nicole F. Wed March 25, 2009 @ 4:50 PM

by Chadg Posted Wed March 25, 2009 @ 9:48 AM

hmmm, I don't understand.... the other day i was at K-Mart. I took a
crap in the middle of the floor near electronics. The told me not to
do that and that i must leave at once, i never saw a sign that said
not to do that. Im puzzled....;)



my point, like many other posters is, just because there is no
explicit direction not to do something doesnt mean it ok to do.

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by dulynoted (aka duttycalls) Posted Wed March 25, 2009 @ 8:12 AM

I hate getting magazines from the store that have been paged
thru...coupons and sometimes pages are missing, and yes sometimes the
pages have smudges on them.
Personally I think it would be nice if the publishers put a little
sticker on the outside that seals the pages - not that this would stop
people from pre-reading and putting them back but it may detere them
and make them think a bit more.


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by PepperElf Posted Wed March 25, 2009 @ 2:58 AM

I mean if you go by that mindset... You can just walk into Target and
start punching employees. There's no sign that says "Don't punch the
staff" right?

Obviously, you can't do that.


Likewise... Stores dislike it when people read the magazines and then
don't buy them

1) If you were reading the magazine with no intent to buy it, then you
were stealing. You might not like being told that, but... *shrug*

2) Reading a magazine and then putting it back often ends up damaging
the product. Then it means the company might not be able to sell
it... So no only is the "non-buying-reader" is now costing the
company money.


Sure, one might say "but it's only a few dollars"... Depends on the
magazine, some are more expensive. And if many people do it, it means
the cost to the store adds up. Sure, they might not be able to raise
the price on the periodicals to cover the eventual loss, but ...
prices on other products can rise in the long run.



Basically... if you really really really need to read a magazine that
you do not intend to buy... go to a public library. There you can do
it as much as you want, and it's legal.

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Not so much... by anonymous consumer Sat March 28, 2009 @ 12:32 AM


Relative by Nay Sat March 28, 2009 @ 11:17 PM
by Nicole F. Posted Wed March 25, 2009 @ 12:02 AM

Personally, I am with Target. It is not your product, you have not
purchased it, so they can ask you not to use the product until it is
purchased. How long did you stand there and read the article? Maybe he
thought that was all you were going to do...read and then put it back
on the shelf and not purchase it.

When I buy a magazine, I read the cover and look at the table of
contents, and flip through it really quick. Usually it takes me a
minute to decide whether I want to purchase it or not. I don't read an
entire article, however.

Anyhow, if he was in fact rude to you, then I think he shouldn't have
been. A simple, "please don't read the magazines until you purchase
them," would have worked out well.

I don't understand people at Barnes and Noble or BAM who sit in the
back and read the magazines. It's not hard to decide whether or not to
purchase it. So, sitting back there and reading full articles is
essentially stealing the product. Most of the people don't buy the
magazines, they just sit back there and read them, then leave them in
stacks on the benches.

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You have a great point Nicole by Donno Wed March 25, 2009 @ 11:48 AM
by Cambion Posted Tue March 24, 2009 @ 5:23 PM

I actually never knew this was 'wrong' (reading in a store) until
recently. I vividly recall being a teenager and leafing through game
magazines to find codes I wanted for a particular game and then
writing down said codes on a small notebook or on my hand so I didn't
need to spend $5+ for one or two codes. Seemed very...un-economical.
Or, if I saw an article I really wanted to keep in an expensive
magazine, I would go take it to the copy machine a few aisles down
(yeah, this grocery store had a copier) and pay a few cents for black
and white copies.

Honestly, if stores cared enough about people reading and then not
buying their magazines, they'd keep said reading material behind the
counter. I mean, not even the plastic bags some magazines come in
help, because I've seen plenty of copies of books like Shonen Jump
wrapped up in plastic that got torn open.

And really, if anyone who was not an employee accosted me for reading
in a store, I would promptly give them a verbal lashing and introduce
them to my middle finger. Why? Because it's none of their business and
I don't respond well to vigilante justice crap. If an employee makes
the same request (without a horrible attitude), then I will listen.

Unless the little man of which you speak was an employee who copped an
attitude, I don't know if corporate can really do anything. I think it
might be discrimination if they banned all little people from their
stores. A sign likely would not help because...well...anyone who knows
anything about customer service knows people in general do not read
signs. Even when they are big and sport big bright letters with
blinking neon lights, there's always a handful of special snowflakes
who still ignore signs that present an inconvenience to them.

Maybe corporate should keep their mags in a locked see-through display
case, like how video games are kept. People can point to the ones they
want and an employee can retrieve them.

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by Cor H. Posted Tue March 24, 2009 @ 2:12 PM

IMO, a store cannot possibly post a sign to cover every conceivable
situation that a customer could come up with.

It is common sense (or should it be common courtesy?) to not use the
product in the store without buying it first. That applies to
magazines, too.




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by RedheadwGlasses Posted Tue March 24, 2009 @ 1:43 PM

Honestly, so few people probably stand at the periodicals and just
READ without buying anything in the store, I don't see how it's worth
it to antagonize a shopper that way. I just can't imagine it's that
big of a problem.

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That's the way I feel about it. by BellaSera Wed March 25, 2009 @ 8:11 AM

by Donno Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 11:09 PM

There is no need for a sign - this is common sense.

When you go to buy a magazine, and it has been used already, that is
unfair.

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So technically by Adam W. Tue March 24, 2009 @ 4:40 PM


I have to agree with you here by ♫Venice♫ Tue March 24, 2009 @ 5:02 PM


by MA Cunningham Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 8:48 PM

. . . they keep porn magazines wrapped in plastic - don't want
customers "reading" them without paying first!

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especially the kids.... by CrazyRedHead Tue March 24, 2009 @ 9:20 AM


That doesn't stop some people... by Nay Fri April 3, 2009 @ 9:51 PM

by batmoody Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 1:08 PM

You honestly expect a store to post on every product that you are not
allowed to take it, or use it without paying?

"Sorry little man with a bad attitude, I did grab one diaper out of
that pack of 30 to use on my baby before we left the store, but there
was no sign stating I had to pay for it. It was just one. I didn't
need to use the whole pack. You expect me to pay for it?"

It just seems too much like common knowledge to me. It's a store. They
have things there to SELL.

I feel that looking at the table of contents, or thumbing through some
pictures would be comaprable to reading the
specs/ingredients/instructions on any other item before purchasing.

But even you admit you read an entire article, which could have been
many pages for all we know. Thats consumption pure and simple.

Obviously you were there long enough that an employee had to remind
you that it's not fair to consume something that you haven't paid for.







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This is a different situation by Adam W. Mon March 23, 2009 @ 1:56 PM


Borders? Maybe by MA Cunningham Mon March 23, 2009 @ 8:31 PM


Yes, but... by myswtghst Thu March 26, 2009 @ 3:07 PM


Your analogy is extreme by ♫Venice♫ Mon March 23, 2009 @ 4:08 PM

Maybe a better analogy would be by KJCat Mon March 23, 2009 @ 4:50 PM


There is no comparison by ♫Venice♫ Mon March 23, 2009 @ 5:06 PM

Well... by KJCat Mon March 23, 2009 @ 5:19 PM


The problem was... by ♫Venice♫ Mon March 23, 2009 @ 5:31 PM

Still, not really out of line by KJCat Mon March 23, 2009 @ 5:50 PM


He never said he was embarrassed by ♫Venice♫ Mon March 23, 2009 @ 5:59 PM

ok by KJCat Mon March 23, 2009 @ 6:35 PM


The better analogy is... by Just Jeffrey Mon March 23, 2009 @ 8:46 PM


I already said this didn't require a policy by ♫Venice♫ Mon March 23, 2009 @ 9:56 PM

by RowdyRetailer Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 11:33 AM

I hate it at barnes and nobles where the latte drinking trendy
progressives thumb through every book making it impossible to give
most books as a gift due to the pages and book sleeve being bent or
soiled.

Magazines and books at my grocery store are pay on scan. The vendor
drops them off, stocks them and gets paid on what they sell. They
take the hit on damages, out of dates, and stolen or soiled
merchandised. The latter is generally found in the bathrooms.


With pay on scan the store incurres no loss. So I really do not see
why it is such a big deal, unless the person is there for hours on end
causing a problem


Good Day


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Barnes & Noble is the same by ams1001 Mon March 23, 2009 @ 8:46 PM

by Adam W. Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 11:14 AM

I have always found it odd that people go to book stores to read.
They just sit around and read. I have always found it odd that book
stores allow such a thing. They aren't making money off these people
and some of them are really in the way of paying customers.

Regardless of my feelings, this is something that has come to be
accepted (even encouraged) as an industry. If Target doesn't want to
be a part of it then that is fine but they need to put up a sign
stating so since it is so widely accepted elsewhere.

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i confess by altairian Mon March 30, 2009 @ 9:46 PM

by BellaSera Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 11:09 AM

When I was younger, I got chastised by an employee (not Target) for
reading a magaine. I wasn't even really reading it, just leafing
through the pages to see if I wanted to buy it. However, I had done
that with a few other magazines, and the guy decided I was using the
rack as the library and told me so.

Too bad, because I left the store shortly after and made my purchases
elsewhere.

I agree the magazine rack at Target shouldn't be used as the library,
but without stationing an employee there 24/7, how does a store
enforce this? And's who's to say the OP wasn't going to purchase the
magazine? Maybe he'd find the article interesting enough to purchase.

I think this is one of the gray-area issues, and, like Venice, I'm
curious how Target will respond to this.

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I think he was going to buy it by ♫Venice♫ Mon March 23, 2009 @ 6:43 PM

by Bill R. Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 9:49 AM

eduardo j.,

A quick scan of the Table of Contents and maybe leafing through the
pages but not reading. That my friend is for the library or the barber
shop.

Stop back when you hear back.

BillR.

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Unless it's the first Friday of the month, or the last hour the store is open before Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year's Eve/Superbowl by olie Tue March 24, 2009 @ 12:21 AM

Those little cards by Adam W. Tue March 24, 2009 @ 11:36 PM


by CrazyRedHead Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 9:48 AM

I though it was common sense not to read the magazines in the store
before purchasing them, although everyone does it (including me). If
you think about it theft is taking something without paying. You are
essentially taking something without paying. Although it is in
writing, you have not paid for the magazine yet, therefore it is
theft.

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Nope by fishbjc Mon March 23, 2009 @ 6:41 PM


Yep... by CrazyRedHead Tue March 24, 2009 @ 9:13 AM

by Nate. Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 8:48 AM

Some stores I have been to have the magazines in plastic bags with a
sign that says DO NOT OPEN MAGAZINE bags, so if there is a major
problem at this location, they should adopt such a plan/ policy.

I think that it is totally fair to look through a magazine to see if
it interests you before you purchase it... It would take a long time
to read the whole thing, and if you are just checking out an article
without damaging it, then it should be OK.

And kudos to you for speaking up and calling him out on being rude. I
would choose a different location in the future, or a different store
altogether.

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Nate Do Not Open are they not PORNS? Teasing NT by Marty5223 Mon March 23, 2009 @ 3:55 PM


A lot are by Nate. Mon March 23, 2009 @ 6:28 PM


Our sweet, innocent Nate. by olie Tue March 24, 2009 @ 12:14 AM

Re: by Cambion Tue March 24, 2009 @ 5:25 PM

by Chadg Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 7:29 AM

One would think that with all the product placement in magazines, that
stores would be open to you reading them. You are effectively reading
their advertisements. I dont believe the store manager was justified
in what he did, but like other posters said, perhaps this is a
location specific issue.

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by ♫Venice♫ Posted Mon March 23, 2009 @ 5:16 AM

I think this is one of those things that doesn't require a written
policy mostly because it would be hard to enforce. I have never seen a
sign in any store banning customers from reading magazines without
paying for them first. However, unlike a library, stores can't just
let customers 'borrow' a magazine if they are not going to purchase
it, even though I certainly am guilty of reading them while waiting on
line at the supermarket. In fact, I think magazines are placed at the
checkout so people will look at them while waiting and decide to buy
one.

I'm actually surprised the employee said anything to you. It sounds
like you intended to buy the magazine, and I don't think there's
anything wrong with looking at it first and even reading an article. I
don't think he was calling you a thief, but maybe they have a problem
at that particular location with too many people hanging out reading
the magazines, and he's keeping an eye on everyone.

This is an interesting issue, and I'm curious to hear how Target
responds.

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A lot of newsstands in NYC have those signs by Adam W. Mon March 23, 2009 @ 11:11 AM


Newsstands should have signs and enforce the policy by ♫Venice♫ Mon March 23, 2009 @ 4:24 PM




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