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Posted Wed August 5, 2009 12:31 am, by Jonathan W. written to Delta Air Lines
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I fly often (Elite-level SkyTeam member) and I understand well that the air travel experience can be unpredictable. However, how I was abused by Delta Air Lines recently went beyond anything I have experienced.
My flight (Charlotte to Austin, via Atlanta) was delayed about 30 minutes due to the aircraft being late arriving in Charlotte. I informed the gate agents that the delay would cause me to miss my connection and if I was to be stranded, I'd prefer Charlotte to Atlanta. I requested an alternate itinerary or a refund for my flight. However, the agents assured me that I would definitely make my connection and therefore they could not offer me a refund or alternate routing. Having no choice, I was forced to board.
I landed after my connection left. Hartsfield-Jackson was a mad house: tempers flaring, inadequate and disinterested staff, indefinite hold times on the phones.
I was shuffled around wait lists on oversold flights all day and confirmed on a flight the next morning. However, as the gate agent explained, Delta would not be offering me a hotel voucher since this predicament was not Delta's fault. The reason my aircraft was not ready to leave on time in Charlotte was because a medical problem had delayed the PREVIOUS flight. Therefore, what could Delta have done? Delta is not responsible. I eventually flew standby to Killeen, TX and drove 80 miles back to Austin.
This is inexcusable. I purchased a confirmed seat on a flight and through no fault of my own had it taken from me, was stranded in an arbitrary city, forced to run around a crowded airport like a mad-man attempting to beg my way onto standby flights for an entire day, and was then told that I should go get a hotel and fly tomorrow since none of this was Delta's fault.
I am frankly tired of this "not my fault" nonsense mongered by this airline. The reason that my flight was delayed was because Delta did not have a plane ready. It is simply irrelevant *why* no plane was ready. The plane was not ready because the contingency plans made by Delta failed - because Delta chose to trade service quality for cost-efficiency, lost the bet, and paid with my money. I would not have been stuck in Atlanta if Delta chose to have my plane ready 2 hours in advance instead of 30 minutes in advance, so that a short delay in a previous flight would not result in delays cascading to subsequent flights. Delta CHOSE not do this because Delta wanted better operational efficiency. Delta CHOSE to oversell every flight from Atlanta to Austin (making me unable to fly standby on a later flight) because it was profitable. Were Delta's policies more conservative, I would not have been stuck in Atlanta.
Moreover, these contrived excuses of just *why* it is that you could not fulfill your obligations are irrelevant and not reciprocal. What if I purchased a flight but didn't give you all the money because of an "unexpected" medical emergency? Would you still fly me to where I need to go? What if I was late because of unexpected traffic? Would you give me all my money back because that was outside of my control or would you just tell me "I don't care, leave earlier next time"? That's right. So ditto for your planes - I don't care why you were late, and I don't care, if you don't want it to happen, then leave earlier next time.
The bottom line here is that when you sell a confirmed seat to somebody, you cannot just take it away. It is a contractual obligation that you have to negotiate your way out of. If a flight is oversold, you offer vouchers, flights, hotels, etc. until enough people give up their seats voluntarily.
I had a confirmed seat on a flight to Austin. My confirmed seat was taken from me (or rather, never delivered) by Delta Air Lines and through no fault of my own. I want my confirmed seat back or compensation for it.
As I hopelessly explained to the gate agents who could not understand my logic: I want the seat I paid for. If the flight is full and you cannot give me the seat I paid for, then offer me or somebody else on the flight a voucher in exchange for the seat. Delta collected payment from two people and is offering service to only one. That money is owed back to me.
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Delta has reimbursed me with a $125 voucher.
Although I still think Delta could and should have done more to avoid the incident altogether, a reasonable case can be made that a voucher in this amount at least fulfills Delta's obligations under its Contract of Carriage.
As a reference, below is the final letter I sent to Delta:
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As I mentioned in my original letter, flight 1737 was delayed because the aircraft was not made available by Delta to fly on time. The plane was not ready because it was being used by Delta to service another flight and that other flight was delayed due to a medical incident.
In this case, Delta did not abide by the terms of its Contract of Carriage for at least the following reasons:
Multiple gate agents refused to provide me relief under Rule 240, Section C (e.g., hotel), claiming that my flight 1737 did not qualify since it was delayed due to a medical emergency, which qualifies as a "condition beyond Delta's control" (Rule 240.C.6). However, flight 1737 was *not* delayed due to a medical emergency; it was delayed due
to cascading delay from an earlier, unrelated flight. While a medical emergency may be out of Delta's control, the ability of that emergency
to affect future flights is certainly under Delta's control. Since nobody on my flight experienced a medical problem, the delay of my flight was not caused by a medical emergency or any other circumstance out of Delta's control. The delay is therefore not exempt under Rule 240.C.
The delay of flight 1737 was in fact due to Delta's violation of Rule 240.A ("Delta will exercise reasonable efforts to carry you and your baggage according to Delta's published schedules and the schedule reflected on your ticket") since Delta's plan for having an aircraft ready for flight 1737 was inadequate, negligent, and did not constitute "reasonable effort".
Because Delta sold me a confirmed seat on flight 5169 and essentially denied me the right to board that flight without providing "Qualified Alternative Transport" as defined in 245.F.1, I think it is fair to ask for "involuntary denied boarding compensation", as outlined in Rule 245.F.2.
Thank you for your time,
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by Jason F. Posted Sun August 9, 2009 @ 2:18 AM
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As somebody that flies 250,000 miles a year, I'm very familiar with how airlines work, their policies and procedures. While your situation was unfortunate you are SOL. There is no way around it. No amount of arguing with posters on here is going to change the situation. As others have stated, a medical emergency is an act which is beyond the control of the airline and not something they hold responsibility for. Given that, all the airline is responsible for is getting you to your destination. They are not obligated to do anything more for you. You just need to accept that the fact that in this situation Delta was not wrong and just move on!!
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by Teresa B. Posted Fri August 7, 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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Services WERE rendered. You chose to fly to Killen, which is a very small airport. You could have waited to be confirmed on a flight to Austin or the even bigger airport of San Antonio which is closer to Austin then Killen is. I dont see why you chose a flight that only had a 30 mintue window for changes..that is only a set up for failure. You also chose to fly via Atlanta. All the choices have been yours and yours alone. Its not Delta's fault that someone became ill on the flight prior to yours.
If you fly more then once per year, then you should know that delays happen. All the time. The airlines can not be held responsible for all delays. When it comes to weather, illness, and all those out of control things then its just literly out of thier hands. On Monday, July 27th EVERY flight into and out of Dallas was delayed by at least an hour (mine was 3 hours). They had had very bad and dangerous storms in the DFW area. Trust me, I want them to be delayed, cause I dont want to fly if its not safe.
My advice is for YOU to plan better. I say allow at least an hour between conections, that way you have a bit of time to make it your next gate. Had you have had that time cushion of one hour, then even with the 30 minute delay you would have made your flight.
You are owned nothing.
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I'll give you credit for the most stereotypically Texan answer :)
Unfortunately, it basically amounts to "you should have known better than to take the Air Line at it's word, so it's your fault." That attitude typifies the reason we have such crummy customer service - because we don't hold companies accountable to the same degree as consumers.
Try reversing roles and see if your logic holds. Imagine for a moment that Delta first flies you and then collects the airfare when you deboard (simply reversing the order in which each of you fulfill your obligations). You board the flight and when you get off, you tell them that due to an unforseen medical expense this week, you can't pay. But since your expense was unforeseen, you owe them nothing.
Lets follow your logic exactly (please pay attention): If Delta flies people more than once a year, then they should know that people can't pay. All the time. People cannot be held responsible for all of their unforeseen expenses. When it comes to car expenses, illness, and all those out of control things then its just literally out of the passenger's hands. On Monday, July 27th NOBODY paid Delta for their flight in and out of Dallas. I didn't pay them. People who had lost their jobs couldn't pay. Trust me, I didn't want people to pay Delta for their flights if they can't afford it. My advice is for DELTA to plan better. I say don't book passengers with bad credit, that way, they are more likely to pay for the flights they take. If they had better credit, then even with unforeseen car and/or medical expenses, they would have still paid Delta for their flight. Delta is owed nothing.
You should have found the above passage absurd and its arguments completely irrelevant. But it's the exact same argument you just made on the airline's behalf. You also probably didn't follow...but oh well.
As an aside, you should read more carefully - my ticket was to Austin. The reason I flew to Killeen was because it was the *only* flight leaving that day into *any* city in Texas. Choices normally involve deciding between at least two competing alternatives. Since Killeen was the only flight, it wasn't a choice.
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by Donno Posted Wed August 5, 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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http://tinyurl.com/fzf47
I believe on page 49 it discusses connections, and situations out of Delta's control.
The reason the flight was delayed *is* material, according to the contract.
I think Delta's liability is limited to returning your fare under these circumstances. It doesn't seem fair, but that is my interpretation.
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Perhaps you shouldnt book your connections with little time in between!
Sometimes its better to leave a cushion in air travel scheduling.
Good Day
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you missed the flight - even though it wasn't your fault.
I'm kind of shocked about this. Usually when there is a delay on a flight that has known connections, they hold the other flights. Esp. since they opted to make all the other passengers late on this one while they tended to the medical emergency.
Unfortunately for you, this is how the sirline industry is across the board. If you ever wanted to define what a LACK of customer service is, THIS would be the place to look.
I hope they remedy this for you, but unfortunately, they get away with this crap every day because they know they're dealing with people who likely have no alternatives.
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