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by Kimeek Posted Thu July 5, 2012 @ 1:07 AM
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Did you look at the expiration before you presented it to the server? Did you order 4 pizzas because you thought you were getting them free with your thankyou card? Because if you did honestly that is your error because it was expired. I think id be more emarrased over arguing that you were right and thinking that you should receive a 75.00 giftcard to tempt you to dine back there for your bad experience.
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by SCFischer Posted Fri April 6, 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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"I informed him of my situation and he sternly replied that he will NOT accept the promo card because it was unlawful. I asked if he can make an exception and simply discount the meal since my group was very hungry and excited to dine here." emphasis added
I don't know what the State Laws in CA are, or city/county laws, but this should have ended the discussion right there. This person in high-level management informed you it was against the law, and you persisted.
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by Michael C. Posted Thu March 22, 2012 @ 9:57 AM
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Expired is expired...and unusable. If you intended on using the coupon, the least you could have done is ask BEFORE you ordered if they would take the coupon. Do you go to stores expecting to get Black Friday Pricing on the day before or a week later? I doubt it...well...maybe you do since I've seen enough people try it anyway.
Just because you frequent a place doesn't make you any more special than anyone else who pays money for services or goods. You should hang your head in shame for even attempting to make a scene about this. Hopefully you didn't have children around to take in the lessons you would have been teaching them. If I were your guests, I would have really been questioning your judgement and been terribly embarrassed that someone was making a big deal out of something they knew wasn't right.
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by Matt R. Posted Fri March 2, 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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This letter/post is droping so I am trying to BUMP it UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Adele Posted Sat November 19, 2011 @ 4:21 PM
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Am I the only one who would like to know where David's franchises are so I can scout for expired coupons, present them and when his employees reject them, make a giant scene annoying every customer around so I can then post stupid whines online and demand a gift card for a full meal.
FYI if your kids' homework is 3 days late in my class it will not be accepted without a doctors note for a serious issue. Hope you do not expect to get tuition moneys back.
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by dg132001 Posted Fri November 11, 2011 @ 8:04 PM
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Really? This is still in the top 25? Really?
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Me too
by Irving Patrick Freleigh Tue January 24, 2012 @ 6:26 PM
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by Matt R. Posted Sat September 17, 2011 @ 4:19 PM
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This is the post that doesn't end
Yes, it goes on and on my friend
Some people started writing it not knowing what it was
And they`ll continue commenting forever just because...
This is the post that doesn't end
Yes, it goes on and on my friend
Some people started writing it not knowing what it was
And they`ll continue commenting forever just because...
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I realize this post is over two years old, but I'm new to PFB and just wanted to say this. I manage a restuarant in Ridgeland, MS. It is a locally owned franchise. From time to time corporate puts out coupons for people or for specific promotions. Our owner insists on honoring coupons, regardless of when they expired. Some money is better than no money, in his eyes, and when you make someone happy, like honoring an expired coupon, they are greatful and will often return to your establishment again. If we can honor a coupon that has been expired for two months, he certainly could have honored a coupon that was only expired for two days. Problem is, most of them act like you're just trying to get something over on them. They don't care about repeat business and customer service, they just want to be right. Whatever happened to the customer always being right?
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by SuzieCat Posted Wed July 13, 2011 @ 8:23 PM
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girls nite with the coworkers---nine of us girls after at 4PM today and ate at CPK---great service, friendly and even a discount because two orders were slow out of the kitchen WITHOUT us asking for a break.
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by DAVID T. Posted Wed June 15, 2011 @ 5:34 PM
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How desperate can the management be to sell their business at a huge discount..
California Pizza Kitchen Inc. (CPKI), the restaurant chain being taken over by Golden Gate Capital Corp., was sued today in Delaware Chancery Court by an investor who contends the company is worth more than the $470 million, $18.50-a-share offer.
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by askchibi Posted Thu June 9, 2011 @ 7:47 PM
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You were trying to use a promotional card that had expired. Had you told them that you were going to use a promotional card BEFORE you ordered, I am sure they would have informed you at that time. Since you decided to tell them midway through the meal, that’s when they tried to take care of it.
The server, who you said was kind, was probably gone for ten minutes seeing if an exception could be made on your behalf. He took it to where he should have-his manager. That manager asked senior management for an exception, and that person denied it.
While businesses need customers to do business, they certainly don’t need customers that are trying to get something for free. You honestly tried to use your business experience to argue with them? What does that have to do with anything? The point of coupons is not to give people warm and fuzzy memories-they are to get them in the door and try to figure out how to get them to spend money on something other than what they’re getting discounted or for free (like ordering drinks, for example.) YOU, as a business owner, should know -that-. While they probably could have made an exception, they didn’t feel your business warranted it. If you disagree, then I wouldn’t return there.
chibi
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by DAVID T. Posted Wed May 25, 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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California Pizza Kitchen Inc. has agreed to sell itself to private-equity firm Golden Gate Capital for about $470 million or $18.50/share or an 11% premium, according to a person familiar with the matter.
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by DAVID T. Posted Wed May 25, 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Total Revenues. Total revenues decreased $0.7 million, or 0.5%, to $156.0 million in the first quarter of 2011 from $156.7 million in the first quarter of 2010 as the result of a $0.9 million decrease in restaurant sales, partially offset by a $0.2 million increase in domestic and international franchise revenues. The decrease in restaurant sales was primarily attributable to the $0.7 million decrease in supplemental gift card revenue which resulted from the cumulative adjustment recorded in the first quarter of 2010 when the Company first began to recognize such revenue. The restaurant sales decline was also related to the 2.1% decrease in full-service comparable restaurant sales. Domestic franchise revenue increased 13.1% and international franchise revenue increased 9.7% as the result of stronger comparable sales and additional revenue from new stores opened in 2010.
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by dg132001 Posted Wed May 4, 2011 @ 3:16 PM
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Wow,
So this is down to number 22 out of 25. Seems shameful that it will soon be off the list!!
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No it won't
by Irving Patrick Freleigh Tue May 24, 2011 @ 9:34 PM
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And?
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by DAVID T. Posted Fri April 22, 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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California Pizza Kitchen, Inc.today announced that it will release its first quarter 2011 results after the market closes on Thursday, May 5, 2011.
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by DAVID T. Posted Sun April 10, 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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California Pizza Kitchen's QSR (quick-serve restaurant) concept is fizzling. Last year saw the closing of the CPK ASAP adjacent to Angel Stadium of Anaheim. Now it's the turn of the CPK ASAP in the South Coast Plaza annex (you know, hipster central, where the H&M, Crate & Barrel, and the Apple Store are
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by DAVID T. Posted Wed February 16, 2011 @ 3:16 PM
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Highlights for the 52-week fiscal year 2010 relative to the 53-week fiscal year 2009 were as follows:
Total revenues decreased 3.4 percent to $642.2 million. Total revenues decreased 1.2 percent excluding the additional week in the fourth quarter of 2009 .
Full-service comparable restaurant sales decreased 2.4 percent.
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by 100%Aussie Posted Fri December 10, 2010 @ 8:58 AM
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I really do have to wonder David T...if your logic is correct, then any company that chooses to uphold company policies and doesn't bend them for anyone (because you know, being equal is so passe these days-I was being sarcastic) should be going out of business. I give you the fallacy to that logic-an Australian business known as Woolworths. One of their biggest policies is not to give customers multiple coupons that lets them save some money on fuel (this includes loyal customers as well). By that logic, the company should be going out of business or shutting down. How is it then, that they recorded a growth of 2.1 billion in profits last year? I'd love to see your logic apply to that situation. Oh and by the way, what's the name of your business? I'm a little curious actually.
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by Kusanagi Posted Tue December 7, 2010 @ 9:01 AM
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Once in a while Dr Phil, Maury, or Oprah will do a show about unhealthy compulsive obsession over mundane things. They'll have guests on the show who have dedicated all their energy, time, and effort far past what anyone would be considered normal or healthy.
Every time I see one of those, I can't help but wonder to myself "How did this happen? What happened to this person over the years that caused this person to lose their grip on reality in such a way?"
Thanks to this page, I now know.
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by Cambion Posted Thu November 25, 2010 @ 12:51 AM
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Sorry David, but you and your family are not so exceptionally special that you are entitled to use an expired coupon. See, if the manager does that for you, other people will hear about it and assume that they're special enough for an exception too. They find out they're not and may do any number of things, from walking out on their bill to screaming to corporate until they get compensation for their "distress" or coming here to complain that the rules were not bent just for them.
Coupons have an expiration date for a reason. If you can't use the coupon when it's still good, then oh well. If you buy a dozen eggs and don't eat them before they expire, do you take them back to the farm they came from and ask for more eggs for free because you couldn't be bothered to use them before they went bad?
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by DAVID T. Posted Thu November 18, 2010 @ 1:53 PM
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California Pizza Kitchen announced that for the fourth quarter of 2010, it expects service comparable restaurant sales to be between negative 1% and 0% and earnings to be in the range of negative $0.01 to $0.01 per diluted share which includes an estimated negative $0.06 per diluted share impact from a high fourth quarter effective tax rate. According to Reuters Estimates, analysts on an average were expecting the Company to report EPS of $0.11 for the fourth quarter of 2010
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?rpc=66&symbol=CP KI.O×tamp=20101111210500
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The owner
by DAVID T. Tue February 15, 2011 @ 1:33 PM
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by DAVID T. Posted Thu November 18, 2010 @ 1:51 PM
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California Pizza Kitchen Sees Earnings Below Estimates
Posted on: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:11:50 EST
Symbols: CPKI
Nov 11, 2010 (EarningsWhispers Guidance Summaries via Comtex) --
California Pizza Kitchen, Inc. (NASDAQ: CPKI | PowerRating) said it expects fourth quarter earnings of $0.05 to $0.07 per share, excluding a one-time item of $0.06 per share. The current consensus earnings estimate is $0.15 per share for the quarter ending December 31, 2010.
This earnings guidance summary was provided by EarningsWhispers, a leading provider of earnings expectations - including corporate guidance announcements and analysts' expectations that differ from published estimates.
http://www.earningswhispers.com
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by DAVID T. Posted Thu November 18, 2010 @ 1:46 PM
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True confession: back when I moved to Atlanta in 1997 I was excited to try my first California Pizza Kitchen. We were at Lenox Square and willingly waited 45 minutes for a table.
.... That may be why it took 13 years for me to return
From Comments:
Reds: ... the Thai Peanut pizza… but it tastes just like the frozen CPK one you can get at the store. I pass CPK in general.
KoPP: ... From other visits, the BBQ sauce on the pizza is waaay too sweet,...
James: ... They’re definitely heavy handed with the sugar. Then again, sugar sells… The menu is hit or miss ... I can’t take their bbq sauce, nor can my pancreas.
jonnymack: I only eat here in emergencies. It’s not one of my favorite chains
Kaye: I go to CPK once every few years ... once the price moved north of $10 for 4 slices, I realized that places like Ippolitos offered pizzas that were just as good, if not better.
wino: I’ve eaten at CPK 3 times, 3 different locations, 3 different cities, and I wanted to like it, but something just doesn’t work for me. It’s like they are trying to do too much without doing anything really well.
Jim R: Three words…Salt,Salt Salt….Good ingredients..Points for service and originality..But like most chains way too much of the ol’ sodium chloride.
http://blogs.ajc.com/food-and-more/2010/11/11/chain-reaction-californi a-pizza-kitchen/?cxntfid=blogs_food_and_more
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by phyreseed Posted Tue November 16, 2010 @ 6:20 PM
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Amazing! I see a well-written, clearly worded letter with a reasonable request, and it's getting slagged by a bunch of "Deal with it" people.. this site used to have a pretty good reputation for keeping people honest (both submitting and replying) but now it seems like it's been taken over by people who like to trash other's complaints.
What makes you think you wouldn't feel the same way were you in the same situation? Ah, sorry.. forgot you were all perfect.
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by Lisa H. Thu November 18, 2010 @ 3:37 PM
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by thinkingitthrough Posted Tue November 16, 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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I, and I am sure many others, wish that they had a life where they were able to devote so much time to such a small thing. How nice it must be to have no other worries, issues, or pressing matters that you can devote so much time and energy to your slighted feelings over a PIZZA COUPON.
David....can you stop for just moment and imagine what you could accomplish if you used all of this time, dedication and single-mindedness for good? Or what a difference you could make if you took all of the time that you spend researching, commenting and obsessing over CPK and did some volunteer work? In all of the time and effort you have used up over the past year, you could have taught several children to read, delivered hundreds of meals to shut ins, collected canned goods for a local soup kitchen, or started a Coat Drive. Or, if you are not at all servide minded, you could have just simply moved on with your life. Truly, it boggles the mind.
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Right on!
by cissy Tue November 16, 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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by BigShot Posted Mon November 15, 2010 @ 7:55 PM
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I don't know about everyone else, but this letter and David T's obsession with CPK's demise make me want to go spend huge sums of money at California Pizza Kitchen. Wish we had one here in the Toledo area, I guess I'll have to stick with the frozen ones.
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by DAVID T. Posted Fri November 12, 2010 @ 11:46 PM
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“Looking ahead, we plan to drive traffic and comparable sales through menu innovation and by providing an exceptional dining experience for our guests,” Rick Rosenfield and Larry Flax, co-chief executives of California Pizza Kitchen, said in a statement. “We are implementing strategies to further control expenses and identifying leverage opportunities to strengthen our full service platform.”
Did you get the BIG JOKE. HAHA, what a crackup.
"...providing an exceptional dining experience for our guests,” Rick Rosenfield and Larry Flax, co-chief executives of California Pizza Kitchen, said in a statement.
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Honestly?
by Lisa H. Tue November 16, 2010 @ 3:02 PM
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by DAVID T. Posted Fri November 12, 2010 @ 11:42 PM
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California Pizza Kitchen Inc. swung to loss in the third quarter, the company reported Thursday, on impairment charges, store closure costs and a legal class-action settlement.
For the quarter ended Oct. 3, CPK booked a net loss of $7.5 million, or 31 cents per share, compared with a year-ago profit of $5.8 million, or 24 cents per share. The write-down of 10 full-service restaurants totaled $18.7 million, while store closure costs and the legal settlement together totaled more than $6 million.
Total revenue fell 0.2 percent to $164.5 million.
http://www.nrn.com/article/cpk-swings-net-loss-3q?ad=finance&utm_sourc e=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=rocksolidpower@hotmail.com&utm_ content=NRN-News-NRNam-11-12-10&utm_campaign=Red%20Lobster%20looking%2 0to%20lower%20price%20points
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by DAVID T. Posted Mon October 18, 2010 @ 3:22 AM
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Thank You Card program, a sort of frequent-diner plan that helped boost business in spring 2009. The company, which has 257 locations worldwide, now says it will reinstate the program in the third quarter.
But Jeff Farmer, who follows CPK for brokerage Jefferies & Co., questioned how management could have been so far off last month in estimating the sales decline from the termination of the Thank You Card program. The company’s revised forecast suggests “there might be an operational issue” at the chain, Farmer said in a report.
NOTE: “there might be an operational issue” at the chain, Farmer said in a report.
You think....?
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by DAVID T. Posted Mon October 18, 2010 @ 3:20 AM
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Investors who jumped into shares of California Pizza Kitchen Inc. in early April, after the company said it might sell itself, now are wondering if they set too high a bar for a potential buyer.
The L.A.-based restaurant chain’s shares plunged 11% on Monday after the company warned of disappointing second-quarter sales and earnings.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/06/cpk-california-pizza- kitchen-sales-forecast-stock-sale.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_mediu m=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UpToSpeed+%28Up+to+Speed%29
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I will pay everyone fifty cents to make this GD letter go away once and for all.
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Sure
by Donno Thu October 7, 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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Um, no
by Lisa H. Tue November 16, 2010 @ 3:04 PM
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by CKT Posted Tue September 14, 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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Even after over a year I still can't get over the fact that you tried to argue 3 people into giving you a expired discount. It was your responsibility to check the date! Also it get's me how you write them that they let the food go to waste which in turn means you got up and left and didn't pay. Did you really think they would send you a gift card?
Sorry but if I would have been a customer at the table next to you I would have felt sorry for them. Oh wow look at that crazy guy trying to tell them how to run their marketing by arguing about a expired coupon!
The right way to handle this would have been to eat your food, pay your bill and then write a complaint about the rude guy. Pretty sure they would have looked at it in a different light.
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So...
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by DAVID T. Posted Wed September 8, 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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Total revenues decreased 4.6% to $163.1 million, Comparable restaurant sales decreased 5.9%, Net income of $4.2 million, or $0.17 per diluted share
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by Lisa H. Tue November 16, 2010 @ 3:07 PM
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by Stevicus Posted Fri August 27, 2010 @ 2:44 PM
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This is a rather long discussion with quite a number of issues being raised which go beyond the OP's original complaint about bad service at California Pizza Kitchen. They don't have any locations where I live, so I've never eaten there before.
I'm still not entirely clear as to why the restaurant manager couldn't just make the call and stand with it. It probably made the situation worse to say that the regional manager is here and that he might make an exception. Then it puts the regional manager on the spot and takes the heat off the location manager. It's also unclear whether the regional manager was there on official company business or if he was just on his own time having dinner with family or friends.
I think the arguments whether it was a coupon or a contest are a red herring, as well as the idea that an expiration date must be set in stone. That may be true in legal and bureaucratic matters, but I don't think that businesses can really afford to be so intransigent and inflexible in such matters.
As for CPK's current business woes and losses, it's not a surprise if they've maintained a culture of spineless management and poor customer service. To blame the poor economy is a bit of a cop-out, because all it really means is that the competition is much fiercer nowadays.
I think what's really happened is that the economy has been so good these past decades, a lot of businesses have gotten spoiled and developed a "screw the customer" mentality because there were always more customers lined up outside their door. They could afford to give marginal service and take the "my way or the highway" approach with customers, since there were plenty of dollars floating around the economy anyway. Now, times are not so good anymore, and businesses are falling by the wayside because their management can't keep up with the times. Being penny-wise and pound foolish just doesn't really work in the long run.
I think the OP has made his point quite well. I can understand how some people might be put off by his stridency and persistence in pressing this particular matter, but that doesn't necessarily change the nature or the validity of his complaint.
Sure, the business owner has every right to stick by their expiration date and refuse to make an exception. Technically, they have the right to refuse to serve anyone, if that's what they choose to do. It's their property, their business, their right. Nobody has questioned this at all. But the question is, is it a wise business decision to make? Is that the kind of attitude that businesses should take, particularly if their business absolutely depends upon the goodwill of the customer? In terms of dollars and cents, the business lost money from this. Businesses are supposed to make money, not lose it.
The bottom line is, if I own a business and it loses money or goes bankrupt, then it would be my fault. I can't blame others by saying "it's the customers' fault" or "it's a bad economy." We have a bad economy because too many people have been slacking for far too long. That's the impression I get from reading all these complaint letters around this site. I've also felt it while a customer myself and getting bad service.
It's not due to any "sense of entitlement" on the part of the customer. That's another cop-out I've noticed throughout these comments. It seems more of an indication that the true sense of entitlement is on the other side, and as this attitude seems far more prevalent these days, it would explain the overall decline in customer service in recent years.
I think that there may be some cultural and generational differences between the different philosophies of business. I've noticed that in recent decades, businesses have tended to look less and less at long-term considerations and, instead, they focus more on short-term gains, leading to the primacy of the so-called "quick buck artists." There's been this mentality of trying to make as much as possible in the shortest amount of time, and who cares if we're in business 20 years from now? It's the idea of instant gratification and "me first."
This has obviously permeated into the corporate culture, where those of the old school mentality have been slowly eased out. This is why older people might be more inclined to complain, since they were used to things being done differently in their time. 30-40 years ago, this likely would never even have been an issue. Most places would just let it slide if it was a few days past the expiration date. It's only been in recent years that businesses have adopted a culture of being intransigently anal and bureaucratic about these things. It's like the entire service industry has been taken over by "Soup Nazis."
And I say this because I AM a customer and I have received pretty rotten service on a number of occasions. I'm not just taking the OP's word for it here. I don't have any feelings of entitlement, nor do I go into a place of business intending to start a confrontation or make a scene. Usually, I'd be more inclined to just walk out and leave rather than waste time trying to argue with someone who seems more intent on winning the argument than winning the customer.
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by DAVID T. Posted Tue August 17, 2010 @ 2:10 AM
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This is how CPKI is such a messed up company. Even after one year and still losing millions, CPKI corporate up for sale, can't find a buyer, stocks dropping like a tank, and they still have bad customer service. A lot has happened to CPKI in one year and it does not look good.
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by DAVID T. Posted Tue August 17, 2010 @ 2:01 AM
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The negotiations between California Pizza Kitchen Inc. and American Securities Capital partners have broken down, according to the New York Post, which first reported talks between the two companies last week.
The Post cites a source "close to the process" in saying that "the likelihood of the two sides reaching a deal is unlikely."
California Pizza Kitchen (NASDAQ: CPKI) has been seeking a buyer for several months.
News of the deal falling apart caused a drop in the company's stock price. In late-afternoon trading, the stock was at $15.97, down $1.67, or 9.47 percent.
Read more: California Pizza Kitchen buyout talks break down - Los Angeles Business from bizjournals
http://losangeles.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2010/08/02/daily1 8.html?ana=yfcpc
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by Summer2011 Posted Mon August 16, 2010 @ 9:44 PM
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Expiration date. Look up the definition of EXPIRATION DATE. They did not have to accept that card.
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But...
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by vitoria h. Posted Wed August 11, 2010 @ 1:10 PM
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I waitress and unfortunetly I run into this problem often. I agree that they should not have been so rude, however I wish people would look at the expiration date. Promos are promos and do not last forever. It doesnt matter if it is 2 days or 2 months expired, it is expired. They should not have embarrassed you and the server should have checked sooner, but ultimitely it is the customers responsibility to check and see that their promo coupons are valid. I would also like to ask why you feel you deserve compensation? you tried to use an expired promo card, is that the restaurants fault? why should they have to pay you. I have read multiple complaints and almost every one demands compensation. You were not physically hurt, they did not steal from you, because you cant read an expiration date they have to pay you? This is why america is so sue happy every one thinks they are entitled to compensation for something that was so small and unimportant.
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Exactly.
by DAVID T. Wed September 8, 2010 @ 9:46 AM
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by DAVID T. Posted Fri August 6, 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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California Pizza Kitchen Inc. reported a 31-percent dive in second-quarter profit
Read more: http://www.nrn.com/article/california-pizza-kitchens-2q-sales-slide?ut m_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=rocksolidpower@hotmail.c om&utm_content=NRN-News-NRNam-08-06-10&utm_campaign=August%206,%202010 %20-%20California%20Pizza%20Kitchen's%202Q%20sales%20slide#ixzz0vqMwvB kY
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by t n. Posted Tue July 27, 2010 @ 1:50 AM
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IT EXPIRED TWO DAYS AGO!!!!! It's your responsibility to read the card.
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Its really sad to me that David T eagerly awaits this companies demise, leaving hundreds and hundreds of people out of work all because a manager wouldn't accept his expired coupon.
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Has there been one? Please say yes.
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by DAVID T. Posted Thu July 8, 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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They'll have a field day over this. Something I will be considering withing the next few days.
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by DAVID T. Tue August 17, 2010 @ 1:59 AM
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by DAVID T. Posted Thu July 8, 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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Being rude to customers and have executives (the founders Rick Rosenfield and Larry Flax) support this behavior will not make a successful company. You have lost millions over a $75 incident. Shame on you.
http://www.planetfeedback.com/california+pizza+kitchen+inc/employees/r ude+confrontation+with+a+senior+member+of+your+management/index.php?le vel2=blog_viewpost&topic_id=319738&reply_expand=1
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by DAVID T. Posted Thu July 8, 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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When California Pizza Kitchen Inc.’s founders hung out the “for sale” sign in early April, the L.A.-based restaurant chain’s shares quickly surged to a three-year high. But less than three months later, more investors seem to be giving up on the idea that a deal will happen.
The shares, which have fallen in 10 of the last 11 sessions, now have plummeted 38% since reaching a peak of $21.30 in April on buyout hopes. CPKI is a firm facing “foundering auctions that appear close to collapsing.” The story didn’t get more specific.
DOWN WITH CPKI FOR DISRESPECTING THEIR CUSTOMERS!!!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/07/california-pizza-kitc hen-buyout-shares-restaurants-cpk.html
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by DAVID T. Posted Thu July 8, 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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I feel REAL SORRY for those that purchased CPKI shares. Let it not be said that I warned all of you. They have carppy customer service and their executives support it. Who ever buys this company will be in a load of pain.
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This letter should have died a long time ago.
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by sarah d. Posted Mon May 31, 2010 @ 2:31 AM
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Why keep mentioning "10 minutes" as if it were such an incredible length of time? It was a busy and chaotic 4th of July weekend and besides, while the server had the card ten short minutes, the OP had the card two full days after it expired. Please stop feeling "sad" and crying how unfair it is they didn't honor the coupon. Pull up your man-panties and apologize to your group for arguing over a coupon and embarrassing everyone.
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by DAVID T. Posted Mon April 26, 2010 @ 5:29 PM
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On Monday, April 9, 2010 the chain said same-store sales, a key indicator of a restaurant’s financial health, dropped 2.7% for the first quarter. The decrease is an improvement from last year, where same-store sales fell 5.9% for the same period.
CPK up for sale?: In other CPK news, the chain confirmed reports that it is looking to boost shareholder value by seeking a possible buyer. No deal has been made. CPK has hired an investment bank to investigate “a possible sale, merger or other business combination.”
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/california-pizza-kitchen-inc-to-revie w-financial-and-strategic-alternatives-2010-04-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp
Selling a business that is digging its grave. Interesting. Well, all I can say is that they are NOT getting any business from me, my wife, my family, my guests, friends, soccer team, and anyone else I can tell this story to. They think their business practice is great by treating us so horribly and I can’t believe they are so smug about it.
What’s interesting is that so many people think it’s ok for businesses to mistreat their guests. The power belongs to the people, not the businesses who think a small minority that will speak up is not threat to them. Go BJ’s Pizza and all the other pizza restaurants that honor and appreciate their customers and treat them with respect.
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by cissy Posted Mon April 19, 2010 @ 7:58 PM
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As a previous owner of franchises, I think that you would be aware of valid dates on coupons. Perhaps special pricing had been extended from vendors. I am sure this is a matter of principle with you but most likely proved an embarrassment to your guests. Over what; a few bucks! In the long run "they" could/should have honored the expired coupon but chose not to. You, being the customer, is it really their loss or an opportunity to seat a more pleasant client?
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by dg132001 Posted Thu April 8, 2010 @ 1:29 AM
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Coupons like this are a great tool to gain loyalty. The majority of the time, when a situation like this happens, management at a "good" company usually has a lot of discretion about making exceptions - and often times do. However, having been in management myself, no matter how "service oriented" a manager may be, a lot of times it comes down to the way a guest speaks to them or other employees. The problem here was that you had an "expectation" of an exception being made, when they didn't have to. If you were more polite about it, and didn't begin to talk down to him about how you owned pizza restaurants, the purpose of marketing, and why he should make an exception, perhaps it could have ended differently.
On another note, I realize that you are the same person who posted about having an issue at Target with a return without a receipt. That posting was huge and I won't get into it too much, but you spoke with them with a sense of entitlement too. You attempted to return $40 worth of items, and again EXPECTED an exception. By the end of your letter to them you felt a $100 gift card was an acceptable solution - which is pretty ridiculous. Perhaps if you were able to have a more pleasant attitude, and not a holier than thou one, you may get somewhere. You may feel that it's okay to speak with people like that, but it really comes off as snobby and makes them much less likely to make an exception for you. You might even find that some employees actually enjoy helping people. When something goes wrong, you don't always get a free lunch!!
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You Do
by NathanG Mon May 3, 2010 @ 1:29 PM
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by KenPC Posted Mon March 22, 2010 @ 9:10 PM
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wow... sad memories? Really?
How will you ever find the strength to go on?
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by _)oey Posted Tue March 16, 2010 @ 7:29 PM
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Having written several letters myself to different companies on Planet Feedback and seeing great success hearing back from companies - I hope you hear back from you.
I have not read the other posts and am sure you have already responded to this - but did you know that your thank you card expired before you walked in?
I have never owned a restaurant and am unsure of the specifics with costing and marketing and what not - but I am sitting here wondering why you felt an expired card needed to have an exception?
I always believed there was an expiration date on coupons for a reason. Not only have I rushed out to stores on the last day before they were no longer valid, but I have also thrown out coupons for stores I unfortunately missed the deadlines.
Furthermore, I am unsure as to why you feel that a $75 gift card is in order. I am not sure how much your other coupon was for, but certain when you used other coupons (and they were valid) you had a good time at their restaurant.
Perhaps in the future, should you chose to go back, take a valid card and let the good times roll!
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by DAVID T. Posted Mon March 15, 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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And they will come back. Take care of them as much as you can and they will return the favor several folds. Marketing costs are expensive, marketing by customer referrals and return visits is priceless. It astounds me that California Pizza Kitchen’s management does not understand this simple concept.
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by DAVID T. Mon April 26, 2010 @ 2:24 PM
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by Jessica82 Posted Sun February 7, 2010 @ 7:34 PM
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I don't see how this situation warrants a complaint letter. You asked to use an expired card and they said no.
But I would like to mention how fundamentally silly that is for a business to do that. I could see the server saying no...MAYBE the manager (though I never would refuse it) but to go all the way to the regional and they think it is better business to refuse it? Come on...just stupidity in my opinion. But they do have that right...I think it's wrong to write a complain letter about it. A suggestion would have been better.
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by DAVID T. Posted Fri January 22, 2010 @ 5:30 AM
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I have not dined at California Pizza Kitchen since August 2009 and my friends have not either. In fact the entire soccer team have decided to dine at another local pizza shack: they have way better pizza and they’re way cheaper too. Is this why their stock is plummeting? WOW!
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=CPK#chart1:symbol=cpk;range=2y;indi cator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;sour ce=undefined
CPK is loosing millions over a $75 issue. Now, how does that compute? Some companies are such knuckle brains. They spend millions on marketing, trying to get us into their stores, then, disrespect their customers if there’s a small issue and refuse to right what’s wrong. CPK does not know how to delight their customers.
Shame on them. Their management needs a spanking.
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so...
by Irving Patrick Freleigh Sat January 23, 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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by jay s. Posted Fri December 18, 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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WOW.. That's all that I can say.
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by crewboy Posted Sat December 5, 2009 @ 10:05 PM
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So the gist of your message is that you are mad at them for refusing to honor an expired promotional offer? The only peson here who is not being reasonable is you.
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by Gilbert M. Posted Tue November 24, 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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From my reading of this complaint and other replies about it, you embarrassed yourself.
I can understand asking for the exception, but you should not expect one if the answer given is no.
You made a scene, not them.
From your posts, I think it is fairly reasonable to assume that this is not this first time you have had run ins with people.
Being in the customer service field myself, I would have accepted it and I do understand your reasoning, although I do think you more than over estimated your costs on gaining loyal patrons and having them return.
Multi-million dollar industries such as Insurance do not pay an average of $2000 per person to get them to call in for quotes, let alone a pizza franchise.
It looks like you are trying to get something for nothing to me.
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by p d. Posted Sun November 22, 2009 @ 4:58 PM
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I love it when people have something that is expired, still want to use it and get bent out of shape because it's refused.
On top of that they get high and mighty and complain about the person refusing it.
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In a recent post below, he says that they gave the coupon to the server before their order was placed. But in the letter he states:
"A pleasant female server asked for our order and my friend , her 2 teenage daughters, my wife and I ordered a complete meal. We handed the server our “Thank You” card and waited for the order to arrive."
So you ordered, THEN handed her the coupon?
Interesting.
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by DAVID T. Tue March 2, 2010 @ 1:21 AM
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by DAVID T. Posted Sat October 17, 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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My business is so busy I can only respond approximately once or twice per week. I’ve answered all of your curious question. CPK’s cofounders still have not contacted me. What cowards.
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so...
by PepperElf Sat October 17, 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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by Aware Posted Sun October 4, 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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You make a good point about customer service. Even if the coupon had expired if they had authority to discount the amount it would have been good will to accept it.
A store once accepted a different stores coupon when I was just comparing prices. I was so impressed that I didn't bother going to the other store and became a loyal customer. That was a "WOW" for me.
On the other hand I once bought an online coupon service where I could print out the coupons. It cost $10. Most of the companies they listed did not interest me, but one was a local family owned restaurant I enjoyed. I printed the coupon and went to the restaurant and showed it to the daughter of the owner. She called her mom who I had met a couple of times, because I went there with a regualr customer. Her mother even remembered me. She said they do not accept coupons from the internet, only from newspapers. Another customer was using a coupon from the same company they found printed in a periodical. Mine was the only online coupon the owner had seen. Their reasoning was that anyone could make up a copupon and print it. I felt like they were saying it was fraud. I was shocked, felt insulted and left without ordering and never went back.
I wrote to the service about their coupon not being accepted. I recouped the $10 in an online purchase but canceled the service. I told my friends about this. Both the service and the restaurant lost my business that over the year and a half so far would have amounbted to over $2000.00 All for a little $4 discount of a %off coupon that was not honored. Now I ask you is that good business?
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by Venice Wed October 7, 2009 @ 4:51 PM
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by DAVID T. Sat October 17, 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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by Samaliel Posted Sat October 3, 2009 @ 8:43 AM
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It is stated that the 'Thank You Cards' were distributed from April 13th, to May 31st. Therefore, The writer had this card in his possession for over a month.
I am no legal expert, but according to the data I've found, it would have been indeed unlawful if any one had accepted this card, especially considering the official rules (a copy of which have been posted here: http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1299045 ), the California Penal Code chapter 9 (regarding lotteries) and the California Business and Profession Code, part 3, chapter 1, article 2.
Had any one accepted the card, they would have exposed themselves to legal action from their own employer, which is not something anyone would risk over any customer's alleged loyalty.
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Coupon?
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by Maegan Z. Posted Fri October 2, 2009 @ 3:51 PM
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All this discussion about CPK is really making me crave it.
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by missjane Posted Thu October 1, 2009 @ 1:17 AM
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No one should expect preferential treatment at any establishment. The customer should've looked at the expiration date on the card before handing it to the server. Judging from the customer's letter I don't think that would've made any difference.
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Goodwill
by Nina J. Thu October 1, 2009 @ 4:08 PM
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by nexus73 Posted Wed September 30, 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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Being in the right technically is not the same thing as giving good customer service. Too many people here want to play the "letter of the law" game. Is it any wonder the good ol' US of A and especially California is going down the tubes and in hock up to their eyeballs?
The Customer Is King. Whether I provide or purchase the product or service, I use this viewpoint. If I spoil you rotten, you come back. If you spoil me rotten I come back. The lower the grade of treatment, the less chances of repeat business. If I go bureaucratic on your ass you will be pissed. If you go bureaucratic on my ass I will be pissed. It's either treat each other as human beings and let some slop in or else lose business.
California is different from my home state of Oregon. Other than PDX, Oregon is mostly built around smaller cities and towns. You screw with people and you screw yourself. Business is tough enough without getting in disputes over small amounts with the customers. In California with multiple millions of people in each of the major metro areas, if you screw a million it doesn't matter since there are so many more millions out there, thus CPK's outlook and treatment of the complaintant. Californication at it's worst.
Screwing one guy will cost CPK thousands over the years. The California attitude will cost BILLIONS in very few years. That's a good part of why the US of A's richest state in GDP got so broke the government had to issue warrants (IOU's) and that businesses are doing so poorly that unemployment is at ridiculous rates. There was a time when California boomed. Now it's a bust of the worst kind. Keep on keepin' on and pretty soon the other 49 states will be happy to give it back to the Mexicans...LOL!
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by DAVID T. Posted Wed September 30, 2009 @ 9:23 PM
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YEAH!!! BJ’S Pizza Restaurant and Brewhouse is now my favorite pizza house. My friends, family, sports teams, and guests will now enjoy fantastic pizza, a great atmosphere, nice people, and great service at BJ’S Pizza Restaurant and Brewhouse. We all love the great people, great service, and fantastic food at BJ’s. http://www.bjsrestaurants.com/menu.aspx
P.S. Who loses. California Pizza Kitchen. They lost our business. Instead we are dining elsewhere. Somewhere more fun with better food. YEAH!!!
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by Just Jeffrey Mon October 19, 2009 @ 7:15 AM
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by Nate. Posted Tue September 29, 2009 @ 2:47 PM
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I was thinking about this letter while driving the other day, and I thought of an interesting concept.
I think a business should make an effort to "wow" every guest, while realizing that every guest has a different "wow" point.
In David's situation, it seems that the majority of the people here would have been satisfied with "no", and still been "wow"ed by the good taste and friendly service. Clearly, this is not everybody's point of "wow". In every industry, there are going to be customers such as David who need a little bit more to be satisfied. This is not everybody, just a minority. Is it worth it to a business to determine that a customer is too high maintenance to keep? If this were my business, I would not turn someone away unless they were completely unreasonable, and asking for a coupon extension is not unreasonable. But it was a contest! So what? As far as he knew, it was a coupon. And he was going to be persistent. The manager could have realized, OK, most people take no for an answer or stop, but I could still offter this guy a discount of some sort on his meal. Instead of slapping everybody over the head with the same rule, management needs to take the time to realize everybody's WOW point, give them what they need or at least something, and realize that they are not going to go out of business by having a yes I can attitude towards that small minority of customers.
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Yes...
by Just Jeffrey Wed September 30, 2009 @ 3:08 PM
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by Venice Posted Sun September 27, 2009 @ 6:47 AM
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I just read your new posts, and I really didn't know where to respond, so I'll do it here. The thing is, David, you seem to be in it alone. I don't think you have managed to sway one person here, not to mention never hearing from CPK. Not only that, you have succeeded in providing free advertising for CPK and have even encouraged many people to dine there.
You said in one of your comments that you don't have time to waste, but that seems to be exactly what you are doing. Repeating the same things over and over doesn't seem to be helping you gain any support. What do you think it will take for you to realize that your idea of how businesses should treat customers is not shared by the majority here or by CPK? Certainly that must tell you something.
If you can't even get any kind of response from CPK, I think it's safe to say they do not want or need you as a customer. Some customers are just too high maintenance and not worth keeping. It's possible that CPK thinks you fall into that category, and that's why you have not heard from them. However, I would like to thank you for recommending CPK in a roundabout way. It may not be what you intended, but this has made me want to give them my business. Who knows? Maybe I'll even see you there one day. I have a feeling you'll stand out from the crowd.
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by Just Jeffrey Posted Mon September 21, 2009 @ 3:04 PM
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To put an end to the speculation, here is what the envelope looks like:
http://tinyurl.com/nlhx2w
Even more interesting, however, is the back:
http://tinyurl.com/namlkv
Here we see, in letters as big as anything else on the back "Offer expires 06/30/09."
In smaller letters, the expiration date is shown an additional 3 times!
So, the envelope had the expiration date a total of 4 times.
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Mice type
by Just Jeffrey Mon September 21, 2009 @ 4:29 PM
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Actually...
by Just Jeffrey Mon September 21, 2009 @ 6:02 PM
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Here's the
by DAVID T. Sun September 27, 2009 @ 1:25 AM
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Besides...
by Samaliel Tue September 22, 2009 @ 7:30 AM
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They simply failed to break the rules in order to appease you.
You have a very low tolerance for such things, apparently, but that does not mean that you were treated poorly.
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Pardon me
by DAVID T. Mon September 21, 2009 @ 2:57 PM
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Bingo!
by Just Jeffrey Sun September 27, 2009 @ 7:22 AM
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by DAVID T. Posted Mon September 21, 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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I am astonished that some people would support businesses that mistreat customers. Remember, businesses are here to serve you. California Pizza Kitchen did not serve me. They did not WOW me. The regional manger, who should know better, was rude to me. I felt as though he spat on me. Why should you support any business that treats customers like that? There are many choices out there and in this economy, NO ONE should let a business treat you like $!%*.
If you support a business that does not WOW you, you are just encouraging other businesses to disappoint your customer experience. Check this video out about United Airlines, maybe this will help you understand my situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo
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Questions...
by Just Jeffrey Mon September 21, 2009 @ 1:07 PM
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by nightman Posted Mon September 21, 2009 @ 1:16 AM
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CPK was not in the wrong by not honoring your expired card,yes it would be nice if they did and perhaps if everyone in the world was honest it would be acceptable however that is not the case .lets say they did accept it and you had a great time and went home telling all your friends what a great time you had at CPK and that they were nice enough to accept your expired promo card well guess what going to happen your friends and their friends and so on are going to think that they can take a expired promo card into CPK and that it will be accepted as well which of course from a business point of view would be a loss of profits over time. So CPK was right by not accepting your promo card.
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by Ellen H. Posted Sun September 20, 2009 @ 8:51 PM
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I disagree with these managers! As a customer services specialist, I would have honored the promo card, it's not like another 50 promo cards were about come raining down on them to destroy their profit margin for the day. POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE!
Better to make an exception than lose a customer forever. This loss will usual includes their family and friends, and those that will hear about their bad judgement.
These two managers did nothing but shove bravado down this customers throat instead of a slice of pizza, pathetic!
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by Acila Posted Sun September 20, 2009 @ 5:18 PM
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I am sorry, but I agree with the restaurant on this one. Expired is expired and it is actually the consumers job to check coupon's to avoid such a hassle as the one you described.
When a consumer does't check their own coupons before use (or does and still try's to use them hoping they don't get caught) it then becomes the cashiers job to check them not the servers.
As you stated you were seated outside, your order was taken, your drinks served, and the salad brought out to you. The server did her job and provided you with wonderful customer service, she most likely was not the cashier and thus it is not her job to check the coupons (though it would have been nice if she had - but she isn't required to) or ring you up.
It sounds like the manager was running the register and caught the expired coupon and then informed you of the situation.
At this point you should have either said "ok." and paid the full price of the meal, or informed them that you would be eating elsewhere since you thought the coupon was valid (which is your right). Yet you insisted on a exception as if you are special and when you spout out all this 'boosting' as I view it information and were still told no, you still insisted.
Even the higher up told you no, and I bet the highest of the high would have said no as well because:
No is no.
Expired is expired.
I don't think they owe you anything, I don't agree that they should send you a $75 dollar gift certificate simply because they upheld their rules and you think you are higher then them.
I am glad they didn't make that 'exception' for you.
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by SHIPMAN Posted Sun September 20, 2009 @ 5:11 PM
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If everyone always made an exception to every rule then why have any rules! The cut off date was two days prior and someone should not get special treatment that's that! What if had been three day's or four day's or maybe a week. Where does it end? Sorry if that does not help you, but that's my opinion and we live in America and thank God we can voice our opinion's Alot of people not saying you because i don't know you, expect special treatment i see it all of the time! as i said where does it end? how far does it go! Peace!
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by PepperElf Posted Wed September 16, 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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are we still not allowed to ask about apples?
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Yep...
by Venice Fri September 18, 2009 @ 4:08 PM
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Eat?
by Just Jeffrey Wed September 16, 2009 @ 8:26 PM
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Actually
by Venice Wed September 16, 2009 @ 8:52 PM
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sure
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by Just Jeffrey Posted Wed September 16, 2009 @ 9:53 AM
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Is your argument that the waitress intentionally mislead you?
Is your argument that a customer should get a discount, just for the asking?
Is your argument that a customer shouldn't get a discount, just for the asking, but should get a discount if they have an expired coupon?
I realize that you were unhappy with how this ended. But there seems to be some confusion (to me, at least) as to what was the core issue. Specifically, you say that, had the waitress told you, immediately, that the contest had ended and the coupon couldn't be accepted, you would have stayed and paid full price. But you also are making many arguments about how expired or not, you deserved the discount. That second one leads me to believe that you would not have accepted an immediate "I'm sorry, but this is expired."
But I don't want to put words in your mouth. So, had the waitress immediately told you that it was expired and couldn't be accepted, would you have stayed? Would you have written a complaint letter?
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So... The OP has been busted. He doesn't deny, when accused, of knowing the expiration date had passed. He merely does his "that's not the point" response, which is quite telling.
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by DAVID T. Posted Mon September 14, 2009 @ 1:35 PM
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Well it has been a while and the founders of California Pizza Kitchen have not contacted me yet.
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Why didn't you just pay for your meal instead of leaving?
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by Tom S. Posted Sat September 5, 2009 @ 6:38 PM
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This seems to be the thinking of most people who write complaints about not getting the answer they wanted - no matter how nicely it was said or how justified the answer might have been. Here is a case in point.
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lady Mac asked:
Question for David: Was an expiration date written on the outside of the envelope?
David (OP) replied:
I simply handed the envelope to the server. I believe it was but I did not see it. I simply handed the envelope to the server.
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I believe that the OP saw the expiration date and just acted oblivious, hoping to get a discount that he knew he'd missed out on.
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So do I
by Venice Sat August 29, 2009 @ 7:01 PM
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by PepperElf Sun August 30, 2009 @ 4:58 PM
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by gennee Posted Wed August 26, 2009 @ 8:11 AM
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I'm speaking as the the second generation of family business that has existed for almost 40 years.
We have a wonderful and loyal customer base and will do anything *within reason* to keep them happy.
But there are exceptions. Sometimes we have made the decision that keeping a certain customer will cost us more than losing that customer. That leaves us free to WOW our *profitable* customers and keep them coming back. It's nothing personal, it's how our business has *stayed* in business through two generations.
My advice to you is that, if you really enjoy the pizza, go back and be willing to pay the regular price for it. If you don't feel the pizza is worth the price without a coupon then it's time to move on and find a cheaper pizza place to go to.
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Nate
by Venice Tue August 25, 2009 @ 5:19 PM
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Bravo
by DAVID T. Mon September 14, 2009 @ 1:53 PM
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Like I said
by DAVID T. Mon September 14, 2009 @ 2:22 PM
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by Laura F. Posted Sun August 23, 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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What is this thing with Shame on them??? It is Shame on YOU! Don't you read your coupons before you give them? If you did, you would have known it was expired...
I agree with everyone else here...they had a right not to accept it and you didn't have a right to ask for a discount, no matter how many times you have gone to that restaurant...
I shop at Wal-Mart 3-4 times a week, and I don't see myself getting a discount there...hello!
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by red0596 Mon September 7, 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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by C D. Posted Fri August 21, 2009 @ 5:50 PM
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The envelope was a contest. Most likely the prize won would have been a 10%-50% coupon to use on a future visit. But it could have been something much bigger. The contest was over so I think having anyone at CPK open the envelope would have been way unwise.
It seems OP was upset mostly due to it taking 10 minutes to find out that the envelope was expired. Then things escalated because OP kept asking several people for an exception. Someone should have explained to him nicely why they couldn't honor the promotion (What if the OP had won $50,000 and due to the legal nature of the contest CPK wouldn't be able to pay out after the expiration date?).
Since OP was upset about being informed of the expiration date in a less than timely manner there would be a great opportunity to "delight the customer" in a reasonable way. I would have either offered free dessert at the current meal (actually more timely than if the contest was honored) OR 10-25% off a future meal (similar to what he would have gotten in the contest). If he was still super upset a 10-25% discount on the current meal would have been a maximum (depending on empowerment).
To eat for free or 50% off just because of the expiration date issue seems a little excessive.
The hospitality industry is just that an industry. We need to please guests and make money. Sure something like giving each guest a $100 bill with their check would "delight customers and provide great word of mouth" but you can't stay in business and delight guests in the future that way. It's all in how you work the balance between the two. You might not always be able to give a guest exactly what they want in these cases, but you can usually give them something, and if done in the right way that something can save the day.
For example imagine a casino chain with 10 hotels in one market ranging from high end to solidly middle class blue color. You can give away rooms to guests based on their play in the past. You may get a guest who calls REALLY wanting a complimentary room at the highest end property. Based on their play you just can't do it :(. But you check the other 9 properties and find 8 of them can provide this guest with a complimentary room. Someone with poor customer service will say "sorry I don't have a room for you at high end property because your not a big enough player" pause and the guest might get upset and hang up.
Someone with great customer service will say something such as "Due to high demand I wasn't able to get you in @ high end property, but I can get you in at your choice of these 8 properties...". The guest might be disappointed but done in the right way you can get the guest excited about one of those 8 alternate choices maybe point out some other perks they overlooked. They'll come out enjoy their trip and then might naturally play more and boom next time around you have a loyal customer that you have made enough off of to offer bigger perks than before. It's all about building relationships without breaking the bank to do it. It's and art and a science.
CPK could have benefited from a different approach than "sorry it's expired, nothing I can do" without having to go the opposite direction of "it's expired, why don't you have this meal on the house".
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Well said.
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by Zan Posted Fri August 21, 2009 @ 9:54 AM
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David, you keep talking about treating customers with respect and delighting the customer. Seems to me CPK did treat you with respect. You were the one who was disrespectful by not accepting their answer, lecturing on the way they should run their business, and walking out without paying for food you had eaten. Respect is a two-way street.
You know, when I worked in customer service, I had some leeway to bend policy and give appeasements to customers outside of normal procedures. I was FAR more inclined to do so when the customers were polite and not condescending. Those were the customers I was more than happy to delight.
I wonder what would have happened if, when you were told your coupon/contest entry/whatever had expired, you had said "Oh, I didn't see that. All right." Perhaps the manager then would have said "...however, I'll be happy to bring you and your guests a free appetizer instead" - or something like that. And you wouldn't have had this unbelievable and uncomfortable experience that has left you with sad memories.
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Well said.
by jaded Sun August 23, 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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by MartiniDreams Posted Thu August 20, 2009 @ 7:03 PM
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Your card was expired and therefore invalid. No one comes into my business and tells me what they're willing to pay. I'd have booted you too.
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Bullseye!
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by PepperElf Posted Thu August 20, 2009 @ 4:23 PM
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the contest was over so legally they couldn't honor whatever was in the envelope
at the same time they were very busy with a large crowd on a holiday weekend
and suddenly they have a customer telling them how much of a discount he feels they should give him, peppered with "advice" on how to run the company.
so, while most of this has been about what people feel david should or shouldn't have gotten...
what about the other customers who are witnesses to this?
What makes one customer who "feels CPK needs to do more to keep his business" be worth more than everyone else there?
If they were to give in to the demands, technically every other customer there would be deserving of the exact same discount or "extra" service.
I can't say they'd turn a profit if they suddenly gave everything away at half price to everyone who feels "I deserve it" but...
surely the others around who were listening to this exchange would be entitled to the same discounts.
Though.. there's also the possibility that the incident was actually disturbing their meals somewhat. They came out for some pizza and a good time... not to hear someone argue with the management.
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by C D. Posted Thu August 20, 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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I have a degree in Business administration and am working on a second degree in Hospitality Management at one of the top two schools in the US in the field. My very first job was at Disney World and all my jobs have been in either the customer service or hospitality industries. So obviously I have some opinions on this situation.
First off, Jeffery raises a really perfect point that I never would have even thought of. This situation could be much more of a contest than a coupon. The "Thank You Card" promotion as I understand it worked as follows. One would dine at CPK and along with their check they'd be given a sealed envelope to bring to their next visit. On the 2nd visit the manager would open the sealed envelop and award the diner their prize which could likely be a coupon or discount (though I'm not sure if it would be for the 2nd visit, or need to be saved for a 3rd visit) or something bigger such as cash or a gift. The promotion was designed to cleverly drive multiple visits to CPK (at least two, one to get the envelope and one to use it). The expiration date on the envelopes as far as I know was June 30th. What would have been the proper course of action if the OP's envelope was a $50,000 winner days after the end of the contest? So I can see the need for a strict policy on not even opening the envelope after the expiration date. I do think CPK dropped the ball by not pointing out the expiration date as soon as the OP handed the envelope over (but on a busy Friday 3rd of July I can see how a server may not have realized right away)
If we make the assumption that this was more coupon than contest things still get a bit hairy.
In my mind there are two distinct styles of running a hospitality business (and most are a blend between the two favoring one style over the other). The first style I call the "Just Say Yes, The Customer is ALWAYS Right" style, these are the Ritz Carlton's and the Disney's of the world. These companies will bend over backwards to satisfy a guest anyway they can. Often you pay a premium to patronize these types of businesses. Lots of times they have a focus on making memories and making sure the guest feels special and valued (thus making guests will to pay the premium price for this level of service again and again).
The second style I like to call the "Trust the Numbers" style. These companies are often large chains and have almost everything they do down to a calculated science based on numbers. They tend to not sweat individual guests as people but look at figures as a whole to direct their business. This style actually can work well as a business model. Some brands just have so much mass appeal that (almost) no matter what they do, they are always packed and always doing brisk business, and if they lose one or two guests there is someone there to replace the lost revenue.
Both styles have their pros and cons. I personally favor the 1st over the 2nd but with the caveat that not all guests are worth keeping in a revenue sense (sometimes it's just not worth it to keep a guest who constantly will cost you more than you make keeping them happy). I currently work for a corporation that leans toward the 2nd style and I love trying to blend the 1st style into my daily work and I think it benefits the guests I serve and the company I work for.
It sounds like in this situation that CPK was leaning a bit toward the second style while OP is very rigidly committed to the 1st. The OP is very right in that coupons are designed to drive in business. This one was designed to do just that. Get the diner in once to get the envelope and greatly increase the likelihood of a 2nd visit soon in order to reveal the contents of the envelope. They did a little bit of "Always Trust the Numbers" with their expiration date. It was a few days before the predictably very busy 4th of July weekend. You don't really need to twist one's arm to eat out on a holiday weekend. From a pure revenue standpoint not having a discount on a holiday weekend can make sense for those businesses that are mysteriously always full no matter what (The Cheesecake Factory for example). If you have a pretty sure bet that all your tables are going to be fully anyway. Why have someone paying less than full price? Imagine if everyone had an expired coupon that day.
It never hurts to ask for an exception (I often encourage my guests to do it just to see what will happen once it goes through the higher ups). Sometimes you win and sometimes you don't but being told "no" to an exception doesn't necessarily equal rude. If I was CPK I likely would have explained to the OP that the envelope was a contest (if that was the case) and why unfortunately I could not honor it after the expiration date and then I would have offered a small perk such as free dessert. When asking for exceptions one shouldn't expect to always win and they need to be very careful in how they ask (your not making a demand, your asking for a favor).
This is a free country built on capitalism. The OP can choose to dine where he pleases and CPK can run their business however they please. The OP doesn't have to choose to dine at CPK in the future and CPK doesn't have to necessarily choose to run their business in the way OP would like them to. Their are pros and cons for both parties involved.
CPK most likely did lose a customer over this. But, is CPK one of those business that has more demand than they can handle where when they lose one guest their is one ready to replace him? Can one person really control the opinion of all the people they know? The OP's friends and family may never dine again at CPK on OP's dime, but who really knows what they may or may not do when it is their money and their decision. On a personal level would it be worth inconvenience to sit down to a meal order begin waiting and then decided to dine someplace else and start the process all over just because the restaurant didn't make an exception to the rules for you?
As to the cost of the food ordered. What was already brought out was likely wrote off as waste. What was being made but hadn't been brought out to OP yet is another matter. Their are creative ways to deal with that. Possibly diners that ordered the same type of Pizza got theirs a little faster or it was used as an employee meal (for accounting purposes the cost of that food would have been taken away from cost of food purchased to separate it out from the cost of food sold).
There definitely are two sides to every story and I wish everyone the best.
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by olie Posted Wed August 19, 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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And not answering questions.
As I see it, you did eat some of the food. You did a dine-and-dash, just not for everything you'd ordered.
You keep mentioning the "50% tip" you'd have left if you'd been appeased. How in the world would the server and the managers know that? Do you have a big sign on your head that says, "Huge tipper"?
Yes, coupons are designed to bring customers in. But coupons come with rules attached. I'm sure your former customers were thrilled that you let them get away with bringing in expired coupons.
I know about the sports teams. I really dislike Applebee's, but if my kids' teammates really want to go there, I suck it up. I'd be willing to bet that your kids' friends and their parents will talk you into darkening the doorstep of CPK before Christmas.
I, too, find the mom-and-pop pizza joints to be much better than chains(don't have CPK here).
Why didn't you go to a mom-and-pop in the first place?
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by Just Jeffrey Posted Wed August 19, 2009 @ 9:27 PM
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...was this even a coupon?
Below, I posted that this was a promotion, where the contents of the envelope could be a discount, money, a year's worth of pizza, etc.
To me, that sounds more like a contest than someone mailing out coupons. In fact, if a purchase is required, this sounds like it could fall under the rules of a sweepstakes.
This dawns on me because of the comment by the Director of Operations that it would be illegal to accept.
I don't know California law on contest and sweepstakes, but I can see how it might actually be tricky, from a legal perspective, to honor the contest after it had officially ended.
As David has said, he handed the ENVELOPE to the server. At that point, it wasn't a coupon. It was a chance at winning something. In all likelihood, that something was a discount (aka "coupon"). But it could also have been a trip or many thousands of dollars.
It being a contest, it makes sense to me that they'd need to be hard on the deadline.
Now, from a "keep the customer happy" perspective, I guess the manager could have said "the promotion has ended, but I'd be happy to take 25% (or whatever) off your meal."
Of course, if I then opened the envelope and discovered that I'd won a trip around the world, that 25% off a few pizzas wouldn't have mattered much. :)
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by Wolf Thu August 20, 2009 @ 2:59 PM
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Yes, I do
by Venice Thu August 20, 2009 @ 8:07 PM
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Us too.
by secret Thu August 27, 2009 @ 3:42 PM
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by Just Jeffrey Posted Wed August 19, 2009 @ 4:18 PM
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"...pizza franchise marketing budget averaged about $2000 per person to gain one customer and an additional $1500 per person to convince them to return..."
How much is the average bill at your place? If it cost $2000 to get a customer once, and $1500 to get them twice (I assume, once you get a customer twice, there is a negligible cost to get the customer to return after that), that's $3500. Even if the average bill was $100, that customer would need to come 35 times just for you to break even on the marketing costs, never mind all the other costs.
How can a business survive when they need customers to return 35 times just to break even on their marketing costs?
Surely, I'm misunderstanding.
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But then...
by Just Jeffrey Wed August 19, 2009 @ 9:31 PM
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So if you had noticed that the card had expired, you would have eaten elsewhere? How loyal is that? Do you have discount cards for other pizza places?
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Yes
by DAVID T. Wed August 19, 2009 @ 8:13 PM
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Nice try
by Venice Thu August 20, 2009 @ 4:36 PM
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Yes
by Venice Thu August 20, 2009 @ 6:40 PM
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Found it
by Venice Thu August 20, 2009 @ 7:15 PM
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by Anonymous A. Posted Wed August 19, 2009 @ 6:46 AM
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Well in this bad economy, if a company had to make a decision between accepting an expired coupon or saving an employee's job, I would hope they choose saving their employee's job.It would be sad to see an employee not being able to feed their family because the company lost profit by accepting too many expired coupons. If they do it for one, they would have to do it for everyone. It is reality.
And sure, accepting the expired coupon would be good customer service, but wouldn't they rather offer excellent customer service the customer who's willing to pay full price?
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No
by jeishere Fri August 21, 2009 @ 9:29 AM
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by Dmv_Vixen Posted Tue August 18, 2009 @ 4:31 PM
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If you own a pizza franchise why not just eat there? Then you can take all the expired coupons you want!
You deserve nothing.
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Thank you
by DAVID T. Wed August 19, 2009 @ 8:14 PM
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Exactly
by Donno Wed August 19, 2009 @ 1:33 PM
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exactly.
by PepperElf Wed August 19, 2009 @ 3:04 PM
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BJ's Pizza
by DAVID T. Wed August 19, 2009 @ 8:23 PM
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Um?
by PepperElf Wed August 19, 2009 @ 9:08 PM
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I have a slightly different take on this letter.
First, if the card was expired, I think the restaurant shouldn't have the made the OP wait while they told him that. Had they told him upfront, perhaps the OP wouldn't have bothered to order his food.
Second, it doesn't sound like the OP escalated the situation; the restaurant did. The OP didn't ask for the manager; the server did. Also, the OP didn't ask for the regional manager; the manager offered the RM as a possible source for an exception to be made.
I'm not saying the restaurant is in the wrong. The card was obviously expired, and the restaurant had every right to decide whether to make an exception. And if the expiration date was on the outside of the envelope, I have to wonder why the OP, a seemingly intelligent individual, missed that. (Or maybe he didn't.) I also don't think a $75 gift card is warranted either simply because the restaurant refused to take an expired card.
And I have to ask the OP: had the restaurant made an exception, would you have bothered to write a letter of appreciation?
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hmm...
by Anonymous A. Sun August 16, 2009 @ 2:29 PM
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by Anonymous A. Posted Sat August 15, 2009 @ 6:23 AM
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Are you serious?
1. You expected for them to honor the coupon because you are a loyal customer. So are the rest of the 4 million of us. Why are you so special?
2.Just because he denied you , you assumed he was automatically arrogant and rude. The word "No" does not mean a person is rude. You just didn't get what you want.
3. All California Pizza Kitchens are not known to take any shorter than 10-15 minutes on an average order. You waited only 10 minutes, why are you bothered?
4.You are angry the waitress didn't know about the expiration. Maybe she didn't know it had expired, and did the right thing by having the manager explain to you.
5. "Once again, he would rather waste all the food we ordered and have us leave unhappy,"
Did you actually leave without paying for your food?
6. You are certainly not entitled to any kind of gift card.
7. The coupon expired. Instead of "not realizing" you jumped the gun right away and asked for an exception. Did you already happen to know that it was expired? I don't know.
8. You told them about your marketing budget; why would a major establishment care to hear that?
Sorry, you aren't entitled to any freebie.
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by PepperElf Posted Fri August 14, 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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i was out with my parents last week at their favorite restaurant and ... the bill might not come to 80 for 3 people but it's usually close.
they wouldn't take the coupon because they don't take coupons on weekends.
Mom: That's ok. =)
it was a place we really like and there'll be other chances to use the coupon, or other coupons to use.
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o my n/t
by PepperElf Tue August 18, 2009 @ 4:48 PM
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by Richard S. Posted Fri August 14, 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Expiration dates are on offers for reasons. Promotions have specific time periods they are offered. You should know this being in marketing. The management at CPK acted properly. I feel you believe you are entitled for companies to make exceptions for you.
If companies continue to make exceptions on marketing promotions or returns, at what point do they draw the line? Companies have specific guidelines and have had to take a harder stand with promotions and returns because people have abused them.
You tried to use the coupon and they said no. It was you that got embarrased and left. You are not entitled to any compensation.
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by K.B. Posted Thu August 13, 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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This letter would be about 2 sentences long if not for all of the descriptive words! It breaks down to you expecting an exception made after something was expired. You were told no. You continued to ask and escalate this situation, so I'm not sure why you were embarrassed that he told you no. You're the one that brought the parade to your table by continually asking. And if your thoughts of this company are "shattered" after they followed their terms and conditions, perhaps you're not as loyal of a customer as you say you are. Also- "sad memories"? Wow... I don't believe you get told no much!
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by calm Posted Thu August 13, 2009 @ 7:38 PM
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The general manager told you they wouldn't honor the card because the promotion had expired.
You asked him to honor it anyway.
He told you that they wouldn't honor the card.
You explained to him what the goal of marketing is.
He handed you off to the director of operations.
You asked the director of operations to honor the card.
He told you that they wouldn't honor the card.
You asked him to honor it anyway.
He told you that they wouldn't honor the card.
And you got upset about his attitude.
Given that they were not going to honor the card because the promotion had ended, what behavior would have caused you to (a) accept that fact (b) without feeling as if someone had been rude to you? They had already told you three times that they were not going to accept it and you didn't believe them; moreover you had already lectured the general manager on the goal of marketing, which probably did not seem respectful to him and which may have accidentally led them to believe that you were not too much of a stickler for politeness.
If the only thing that they could have done to make you happy was to honor the promotion despite the fact that it had ended, then your complaint isn't really that they were rude, it's that they didn't give you what you want (which you interpret as rude). And because the only thing you describe that you think the manager and the director of operations could have done to make you happy *other* than to make a special exception to the terms of the promotion just for you was to tell you they weren't going to honor it before they served you any drinks, it is very hard to read this letter without wondering whether the issue might be that they told you no in a particularly rude way but that they told you no, period.
I might agree with you on the 10 minute thing if I thought you had felt compelled to pay for the food and drinks that they had begun preparing (and that they certainly couldn't serve to other customers) before telling you about the problem with the promotion and if I didn't suspect that the waitstaff had been told to let the manager deal with this kind of problem because other customers had already been rude to the servers. But as it is I don't think giving you a few minutes to sit down and have a little something to drink is egregious enough to warrant a $75 gift card.
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