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Security Verification Going A Little Too Far at Household Bank

Posted Wed November 4, 2009 12:00 pm, by Shaun B. written to Household Bank

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To Whom It May Concern:

I recently began using my HSBC Mastercard again after a long period of inactivity and a zero balance as my cat and I both incurred some unexpected medical bills I did not have sufficient savings for. A short time later I recieved a notice that a security hold had been placed on my account because of the change in spending pattern. A minor annoyance, but I recognize why it was done and I commend your company for keeping a close eye on what could have been someone stealing my card.

My problem comes in when I called in to get the security block removed. I called in from the phone number tied to the card, which your system recognized. I was transferred to your Fraud prevention department where I provided, when asked:

My full name

My billing address

My full social security number

I was then told I would be asked some 'additional' verification questions. These entailed:

Being given four random addresses from the city I had lived in before moving to Seattle and verifying if I had lived at any of them (which I answered correctly).

Being given four car models and years and asking if I had ever owned or co-signed on any of them (which I answered correctly).

Being given four random addresses from the city I had lived in just after graduating high school and asking if I had ever lived at any of them.

THIS is where I have the problem. You asked me to verify addresses from approximately 20 years ago, during a time period where I was moving to a new apartment every year when the lease was up (college town, there was always a better deal than the renewal the landlord would offer). I don't remember. I dont keep records from that far back and honestly? That city had so many similar street names I cant be sure which was what (Example: Park Row, Park Row Hill, Park Hill, Hillpark Dr, and so on).

Because I could not answer this last question, your company refuses to take the security hold off of my account. Trust me, if someone had managed to steal everything else I gave you AND broke into my house to make the call from the associated phone line...access to my credit card is the last of my problems.

Please respond with how we can get this rectified. If you do not wish to remove the block with the information I've already provided, then I simply wont be using the card anymore. I WILL NOT be sending in additional paperwork to verify my identity. I'd say close my account, but since you can't verify my ID, I guess you can't do that, right? Technically you can't even tell me what I can do in response to THIS letter, right??


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by impy Posted Wed November 18, 2009 @ 10:43 AM

Well, its been 2 weeks and no response from HSBC, not that I had much
hope of it, so the card is cut up. Should be able to pay the account
off next month, and then will be requesting the account be closed.

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by Horsetuna Posted Tue November 10, 2009 @ 9:45 PM

I agree, that's very rediculous! I can't even remember my address from
THREE years ago!


I understand the need for security, but twenty years ago?? Next
they'll want the first boy you made love with and how many kisses he
gave you on the first date. And what color the couch was.

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by Samantha C. Posted Tue November 10, 2009 @ 8:54 PM

It may seem absurd but you would be the first to complain when someone
stole your card and they didn't verify ID ... thats why they have it.

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Maybe you didn't read everything? by impy Wed November 18, 2009 @ 10:48 AM


by Donno Posted Wed November 4, 2009 @ 10:04 PM

But I can recognize every address I ever lived at. 3 in MD, 1 in CA,
1 in FL, 1 in TN, 3 in NY, 4 in NJ, 2 in PA.

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Then your pretty good! by Teresa B. Wed November 4, 2009 @ 10:59 PM


I know all my past addresses.. by Harleycat Thu November 5, 2009 @ 2:08 PM

Good Memory by impy Thu November 5, 2009 @ 12:42 PM

Ditto by Cor H. Thu November 5, 2009 @ 1:19 PM


This got me to thinking by Teresa B. Thu November 5, 2009 @ 1:28 PM

by RowdyRetailer Posted Wed November 4, 2009 @ 9:44 PM

Credit cards are so worth it! lol


Good Day

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by RedheadwGlasses Posted Wed November 4, 2009 @ 7:04 PM

I agree 100%. This is absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

If only these banks had applied similar due diligence when they were
throwing mortgage loans and other credit lines at anybody who wanted
one.

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Hmmmmmm by RowdyRetailer Wed November 4, 2009 @ 9:42 PM


Unusual logic by Just Jeffrey Thu November 5, 2009 @ 7:04 AM


by Harleycat Posted Wed November 4, 2009 @ 5:43 PM

I agree that some of this verification gets out of hand. My bank
changes the security questions every couple of months. You have to
choose 3 questions and at any given time, they can ask you two when
you log on. Since I handle both my husband's and my accounts, I end
up having to write the answers down so I remember them. How secure is
that?

One time my husband changed his without telling me. In most cases I
could guess or knew his answer but one of the questions was how much
did you make per hour at your first job? Like I would know how much
my husband made per hour over 35 years ago! I couldn't pay that
particular bill until I got in touch with him for the answer.

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by Steve OH (IO) Posted Wed November 4, 2009 @ 4:21 PM

blood type of your 2nd landlord's wife's boss or something equally
ridiculous. I think Jeff's suggestion is good - give you the option
of speaking with a real person, one who would understand that
addresses from 20 years ago aren't etched on our memories.
Good luck.

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However... by Just Jeffrey Wed November 4, 2009 @ 4:36 PM

Live person by impy Wed November 4, 2009 @ 5:28 PM

by PepperElf Posted Wed November 4, 2009 @ 3:23 PM

i went through pretty much the same process when i had money wired
as well as when i had a replacement birth certificate issued


i understand the issue with trying to verify old addresses and data.
for the most part i just went by the city and state and if "none of
above" was the right answer that's what i said.*

* case in point, there's another woman out there with the exact same
name i have, some one of her addresses pop up on my questions. i
suspect they do that to make sure it's not just some crazy person who
got ahold of the data online or from zabasearch and is trying to use
it to hack.


best thing i can recommend is trying to go to the bank associated with
the card in person.

i would also recommend bringing various forms of ID
including DL, birth certificate, SSN card, etc...

(tho you might want to call ahead or something like that to see what
hthey require)

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Re: Branch visit by impy Wed November 4, 2009 @ 5:31 PM


oo suckage. =( hope you can get through to them via the phone then n/t by PepperElf Wed November 4, 2009 @ 7:35 PM


by Just Jeffrey Posted Wed November 4, 2009 @ 2:37 PM

This is a security scheme that it being used more and more by
automated verification systems. For example, Virginia uses this when
applying to get a copy of a birth certificate.

Thing is, the old way of doing verification -- social security number,
mother's maiden name, etc. -- is no longer useful before that
information is just too well known. However, asking several questions
compiled from several databases is supposed to work better.

You raise a valid point about how this can fail to work. What a
company should do is offer the option to reach a live human. Yes, you
might need to take additional steps to verify who you are.

Keep in mind that the credit card company bears the cost of fraud, not
you. Because of this, they need to take steps so that THEY are
comfortable.

In other words, this isn't about you. It's about them. If you don't
want to play, then you don't need to use credit.

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Verification information by impy Wed November 4, 2009 @ 5:35 PM




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