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Kia Optima ECM Causes Annoying Inspection Failure

Posted Tue January 31, 2012 12:00 pm, by Douglas P. written to Kia Motors America, Inc.

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I'm annoyed now; let's not make this into a furious, OK?

Just before Christmas, I took my 2006.5 [2007 design, 2006 model year] Optima to a local state inspection to get my safety sticker.

The car passed all tests, except for the fact that the "check engine" light was on. In accordance with Massachusetts law, they issued me a rejection sticker. While defined as an emissions problem, my exhaust was clean. It was not an issue. As such, I was advised to go to a Kia dealership. I was told that the ECM, electronic control module, required an upgrade to its firmware, something that only a dealer could do.

On to Kia's dealership. They give me a quote of $90 to reset the ECM, and install the software update.

Hooked up to their computer, an error code of 0630 shows up, and they cannot correct the problem. I'm told that the ECM has crapped out. OK~~ how much to fix it? $1,340 for the part, plus labor. I ask if they can effectuate the repair, should I come in with a replacement of my own, and I'm assured, Yes. They quoted a labor and programming charge of $135 to get the job done.

As with previous repairs, which have been few since I bought this car brand new in November, 2007, I found your $1,340 part on Ebay and purchased it for $88. Meanwhile, I call the registry to see if I can get a waiver of failed inspection, as the only actual problem is the little light on my dash console lighting up, saying "check engine."

Mass. DMV refers me to representatives of the EPA. Those folks say to follow the dealership's advice, and replace the ECM module. They also advise me to call Kia America to see if there's a recall on this device. If so, it would be taken care of free of charge to me.

Today, I got a call back from Kia America. "UNFORTUNATELY," more "UNFORTUNATELY." I'm told that not only can my ECM never be fixed, the one I've purchased off also won't work, because each such control assembly is paired by VIN to the car in which the factory installed it.

This is a FIRMWARE issue. Firmware is halfway between hardware and software. It's programmed into a device by the manufacturer, and can not be accessed by the product's end user. Changes can be made only by the manufacturer, or at an authorized service center thereof, in this case, a Kia dealership.

Your dealership does not have the resources to correct the problem. It is so intrinsically minor, spending big money to fix anything as trivial as this is ludicrous. Yet today, your USA headquarters calls me back to say "UNFORTUNATELY!"

FIX THIS!!!

No more UNFORTUnATELIES, OK??


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by douggieboy Posted Wed February 29, 2012 @ 1:20 PM

It took alot of negotiating, but this week they replaced my car's
control module, as the original inspection failure occurred before
80,000 miles or 8 years, falling under the federal law regarding
emission standards.

I am satisfied; the design of the ECM marries it to the vehicle when
it is made, so if a Kia car is totaled, the module cannot be salvaged
and used in any other car. I don't know how common this problem is,
but it goes without saying that if a car's central computer can't
simply be reset by a Kia dealer, and has to be replaced, it must be
costing the company one pretty penny to install a factory new one if
it fails while the vehicle is still under manufacturer warranty.

I'l take this occasion to thank Shannon at Kia America, and Gary, the
supervisor who decided to make the effort to satisfy his customer,
me.

Cased closed on a positive note.
Thank you~~
God bless.

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Re: Kia Optima ECM Causes Annoying Inspection Failure by douggieboy Mon February 6, 2012 @ 1:01 AM
by douggieboy Posted Wed February 15, 2012 @ 2:51 AM

... the problem, in that a brand new battery I bought from Autozone
last summer is actually bad. The state authorized service center which
finally identified the cruz of the matter is replacing Autozone's junk
battery with a Kia factory one, and Autozone has offered full refund,
once I return their defective product to the store where I bought it.

Having promised to resolve my PCM problem at company expense, I see no
reason not to give Kia full benefit of any slightest remaining doubt.
If the Massachusetts service center authorized to effectuate
corrections my car may require cannot, Kia America has assured me that
they certainly shall.

For this, I extend advance thanks to Kia, by which I may be able to
drive my car without paying the $1,500 remedy from the dealer, an
expense I simply cannot afford.

In any case, this matter appears to be resolved. Once everything is
done, and all is in good order, I'll advise of my satisfaction
here...

Thanks --

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by McJohn Posted Wed February 1, 2012 @ 11:11 PM

I would just pull the fuse that powers the check engine light, get it
inspected and plug it back in.

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I would do this, but.... by douggieboy Thu February 2, 2012 @ 1:28 AM

Kia Optima by George B. Sun February 5, 2012 @ 10:54 PM

by Jared C. Posted Wed February 1, 2012 @ 9:11 AM

I feel for you for this issue. I've been driving around with the check
engine light on in my car for months now. My car - a Nissan - does
this because the little sensors in the car fail and that makes the
Check Engine light come on.

Putting computer parts into cars was one of the worst ideas ever.

The new technology additions don't improve the vehicle at all (I don't
use OnStar, play DVD's in my car or play MP3's, so please no replies
to this post talking about how we didn't have those in 70's cars and
how they are so nice and how other people can't live without
them)....and they break down and need replacing FREQUENTLY.

It's a shame you can't get a decent car like they made in the 70's
anymore - made out of steel and with as few parts as possible. Those
70's cars rarely broke down and, when they did, fixing the issue was
usually price-affordable (Unless it was something major like a
tranny).

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"Putting computer parts into cars was one of the worst ideas ever." by RedheadwGlasses Wed February 1, 2012 @ 12:32 PM

yep by Jared C. Wed February 1, 2012 @ 1:12 PM

It's GREED, not capitalism, which has to be put down... N/T. by douggieboy Thu February 2, 2012 @ 1:34 AM

I agree but.... by Jared C. Thu February 2, 2012 @ 11:56 AM

Not all vehicle computers are for entertainment. They control fuel by Steve OH (IO) Wed February 1, 2012 @ 2:32 PM

but those computer parts are unnecessary! by Jared C. Wed February 1, 2012 @ 3:08 PM

"Whether you are safe in a car or not primarily depends on the other drivers" by Steve OH (IO) Wed February 1, 2012 @ 4:16 PM

fair play by Jared C. Thu February 2, 2012 @ 12:00 PM


O_o so you want the auto industry to INVEST into making two versions of everything just IN CASE someone wants it? by PepperElf Thu February 2, 2012 @ 2:18 PM

they're doing just fine.... by Jared C. Fri February 3, 2012 @ 11:59 AM


you're still assuming there will be enough buyers who think like you do by PepperElf Mon February 6, 2012 @ 9:52 AM
by Steve OH (IO) Posted Tue January 31, 2012 @ 1:33 PM

cars. The problem isn't just "the little light". It's an emissions
issue that has to be corrected. The dealer told you they could repair
it if you supplied another computer, but did you tell them you were
planning on buying a used ECM? That $88 doesn't seem like a good deal
if it isn't usable.
It may be unfortunate that there hasn't been enough failures to
warrant a recall, but that's life. It would be fabulous if all
vehicles had a 100% warranty, one that covered every part for the life
of the vehicle. UNFORTUNATELY, the vehicles would be so expensive that
nobody would be able to afford them.

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Isn't the $88 suspect in and of itself? by RedheadwGlasses Tue January 31, 2012 @ 3:01 PM


I don't think so by Brendalala Tue January 31, 2012 @ 8:24 PM

I did this before with the climate control~~ by douggieboy Wed February 1, 2012 @ 4:00 AM

flawed technical info by JohnG Wed February 1, 2012 @ 10:01 AM

by PepperElf Posted Tue January 31, 2012 @ 7:21 AM

It sounds a bit like you maybe tried to take a shortcut with the ebay
device.

although you may feel it saved you money if it can't be used then it
may not help with the problem?

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