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Manager trying to get more sales through innocent deception
Posted Fri February 23, 2007 10:58 pm, by Ted S. written to Outback Steakhouse
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My wife and I had dinner at the O'fallon Missouri Outback on Wednesday, February 21, 2007. It took some time for our waiter to come to our table and at not request of ours, the manager came over and deeply apologized for the delay and said she could get us any drink we wanted and an appetizer. Her approach indicated to us that this was "on the house" based upon they way she presented it to us...being deeply sorry for the delay and wanting to make it up to us. At the end of the meal we realized otherwise and this may have been a ploy by the manager to get more sales, as she happily put the items on the bill.
I would like reimbursement/gift certificate for the items she charged us for as stated previously. The total for two drinks and an appetizer comes just under $20.00.
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by Cam Posted Thu March 1, 2007 @ 7:16 PM
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Here's what probably happened. The manager saw that her staff member was in the weeds and had a hard time keeping up. She took your drink and appetizer order, to help her server catch up. Unfortunately sometimes, restaurants are understaffed for unforseen reasons, and I think it's awesome that the manager would step in and assume doing table service duties. (I wish mine would!!!)
If she did not say, "This will be on us.." or something to that effect..do not assume.
Most restaurants want you to be happy with the food and service...we do what we can. We want you to enjoy yourself and have reason to come back. We are not mind readers, however...if you are not happy..say something! Usually we have no problem accomodating you if you have a complaint or concern. It does not sound like you voiced your displeasure with management, though. It sounds as if you made an assumption, didn't get what you assumed was coming to you, and then wrote a complaint letter afterwards.
Had you said something to the manager, I'm sure they would have done something. Especially since it was a corporate restaurant.
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by Sarah H Posted Mon February 26, 2007 @ 2:11 PM
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If she didn't say "It's on the house", what the heck made you think it was?
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When in doubt..DON'T! When you got your bill and saw the charge, you should have asked for that manager..and reminded her of what her offer had been.
Too slow! Too bad
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I agree
by Mon February 26, 2007 @ 11:06 AM
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by tickytack Posted Mon February 26, 2007 @ 8:33 AM
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I agree with everyone else. Why did you not question the bill when you got it?
Sorry, but you paid the tab and, at this late date, it is unlikely they'll reimburse you.
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by S. Brown Posted Sun February 25, 2007 @ 4:00 PM
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"Her approach indicated to us that this was "on the house" based upon they way she presented it to us..."
I'd say that this was your interpretation and perhaps not the manager's. I'm curious how long you waited for a waiter that would prompt the manager to visit your table and offer a $20 comp?
Anyhoo - - I don't see any deception here and as other posters have stated - - the time to deal with these issues is while you're still at the restaurant. This is particularly true in your case as you are claiming the manager's "approach" indicated that your drinks and appetizer were going to be at no charge.
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by calm Posted Sun February 25, 2007 @ 9:42 AM
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I, too, am hung up on "innocent deception" because understanding what you mean by it may help understand what it is that you believe occurred.
My first guess is "the deception of innocents" -- there you were, not trying to do anything wrong, and the manager came up and lied to you in order to get you to pay more. That would fit with "a ploy by the manager" and "happily".
My other big guess is "inadvertent deception" -- as in, the manager did not intend to be conveying that these things would be on the house, and so you took an action that you wouldn't have taken had you only known what the manager intended to offer.
I think there's a third possibility here that the "she happily put the items on the bill" bit suggests you don't mean, which is that she intended these things to be on the house but didn't actually do whatever she needed to do to make it clear that they were free. If there was a chance that this might have been the case, the place to address it was in the restaurant. And unless you watched her gleefully announce to someone else "I told Ted that these would be on the house, and now we're going to get an extra $3.00 tip on top of the additional proceeds for the restaurant as a whole!" I don't think you can really rule out this possibility.
If it was an inadvertent deception, then again the place to deal with this was at the restaurant, instead of going over the manager's head, because you certainly wouldn't intend to get someone in trouble for a miscommunication.
But yes, I suppose that if you believe that this was a deception of the innocent, then it would make sense to go over the manager's head. After all, the manager did something wrong, right? The thing is, you don't mention having made a point of it at the restaurant. So the person dealing with this has probably got no evidence at all that any of this actually happened. (Well, since most people pay by credit card there is probably evidence that you bought some food there.) it would have been a stronger letter if you had been able to say "We said to the server, 'The manager indicated we would not be charged for these.' The server checked with the manager and said that the charge stood. We asked the server for the contact information for the person in charge of the restaurant, and were told 'Oh, just write to us through Planet Feedback!'" Then whoever gets your letter can go track down the server and ask whether this in fact happened.
I tend to incline to the "inadvertent deception" interpretation here, so I guess I'm having more trouble with not trying to deal with it (or at least not reporting that you tried to deal with it) at the restaurant. But I can see why someone who believed that this was a deception of the innocent would view an attempt to deal with it at the restaurant as futile, so I'm trying to keep that in mind.
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by Gino Posted Sat February 24, 2007 @ 10:52 PM
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I really don't see any deception (innocent or on purpose or guilty or accidental) What I see is a failure to communicate. This entire problem could have been cleared up, once and for all, by bringing the issue up when the bill arrived.
Without knowing the original intent of the manager (was she simply trying to expedite service by handling part of it herself, or was she indeed intending to "make it up to you". Not being a mind reader and not having her side of the story, I don't really see the need for these items to be "comped" by reinbursement and or a gift certificate.
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by p d Posted Sat February 24, 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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It's understandable to assume she meant on the house but on the other hand she didn't say that.
You should have spoken to her when you got your bill instead of writing to PF.
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by Ryman Posted Sat February 24, 2007 @ 10:17 PM
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Yeah, sounds to me like a simple miscommunication. But like a doofus, you said nothing, paid the bill and left. Don't expect to see that reimbursement anytime soon.
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by Jeffrey Posted Sat February 24, 2007 @ 8:02 PM
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In this case, simply say to the waiter "I'm sorry, but the manager told us that these drinks would be on the house."
If the waiter checks and comes back and says that this is not true, ask to speak to the manager.
If the manager says that he never intended that the drinks be free (that he was just trying to get you something quickly), tell him that this was not your understanding. Indicate that you are not paying for the drinks. Be calm. Polite. Nice. But firm.
If he gives you a fight, only then do you say "in that case, you have the drinks back" and make a motion to put your finger down your throat.
OK, that last part is a joke (maybe). But it's the manager's responsibility to accept blame for the miscommunication. I can totally see how this could happen and no quality manager would stand there, in a crowded restaurant, and argue with you. Especially if you're load enough for other to hear "you lied to us!"
Problem here is that, once this letter gets back to the manager, he'll have honestly forgotten about it.
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by mary jo Posted Sat February 24, 2007 @ 4:45 PM
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I feel your frustration. This happend to me once. I cant remember now where we were but we had some major issues with our food and the manager offered to bring me a dessert so I picked one out. Sure enough, we got charged for it and the messed up food. By then i was so mad and frustrated I just paid and left. I figured it was useless to try and fix the problem after all the other problems we had.
I hope you hear back from them and they offer you something.
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First of all, what is "innocent deception"?
Anyway, I can see this being a mistake/misunderstanding in one of two ways:
(1) The manager forgot to tell your waiter to comp you the drinks and appetizer.
(2) The manager didn't intend for those items to be free, but rather was sorry for your delay and was offering to help out the waiter for a moment in order to get the ball rolling.
Why didn't you say anything when the bill was presented to you? Cat got your tongue?
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by joanne Posted Sat February 24, 2007 @ 2:04 AM
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Why didn't you just ask for the manager while you were there instead of paying for it and then asking for reimbursment? This makes your story sound fishy at best.
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