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Poor Service (Again), Bad Product
Posted Thu September 21, 2006 2:07 pm, by Vicki R. written to Victoria's Secret
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I have been a faithful client of Victoria's Secret for over 12 years. Every piece of undergarment in my possession is from their company. Over the summer I purchased two bras from them, along with several pairs of panties, a sports bra, and a pair of pajamas. The bras were exactly the same, except in two different colors (light pink and black). Within about a month, each bra had snapped the strap at the exact same location. I was hoping to try and fix them myself, but considering I rarely return anything to their store (and I don't believe I should have to do repairs on something so expensive) I took them back to the store to exchange them for the exact same thing.
Now, I don't always dress like I'm going to work. The particular day I chose to go to the store I was in grubby clothes after doing yardwork most of the morning (with more to do in the afternoon). The sales reps wouldn't even greet me. When I got to the counter, the young girl was very snide, and wouldn't even look at the problem before telling me they wouldn't return or exchange them without a receipt.
When I questioned the return policy, I was told it was at the discretion of store staff as to what the policy was. I asked to look at a copy of the receipt tape with the return policy printed on the back, and they said that the return policy stated on the receipt was solely for NEW, unworn merchandise.
I might even partially understand their stance if the merchandise I was exchanging was a style they had carried for an extended period of time, but it wasn't. It was a brand new style they had only carried for a few months.
The first questions they had after I started disputing the return policy was, "How did I wash them?" I told them that I handwash them like suggested (especially since I lost a very beautiful bra and panty set about 4 years ago to an accidental washing machine incident). Then they wanted to measure me, saying I wasn't properly sized. When they measured me, they said I was a 38, even though they never took into consideration my sweatshirt and also did not measure me correctly. So they blamed the breakage on me. It couldn't be manufacturer fault. I pointed out that the area of breakage isn't even related to my size, especially since the straps were not adjusted to the maximum size (meaning there was more room for expanding the straps than I needed). One strap broke as I was slipping it on my shoulder; the other strap broke as I was standing on the midway at the county fair, requiring me to rush to the nearest port-a-potty with no lights to tie the two straps back together as a temporary fix.
The next step was the associate suggesting I go to a fitting room and remove my shirt and bra so they could get a proper measure. No thanks, that is highly inappropriate.
Essentially, I left the store with them telling me it's my fault and they wouldn't do anything for me in regard to the bras I wanted to exchange. They would, however, sell me two new bras if they were allowed to measure me.
I want to be able to exchange the two bras that are broken for the exact same items. I would also like them to train their associates to have some manners when they work with the people who are supplying their paychecks.
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You should be judged on how you are dressed and it sounds like that is a personal problem of the associates to encountered, not VS as a whole.
However I think it is so funny that people think they can walk into VS and just return bras with no receipt and get the FULL price. Just the other day i had a girl come in with 3 bras that were a YEAR old and had started to wear down and want a FULL priced exchange for them. This is why the company can't afford to have tons of associates working at once, which leads to not being helped as much as if there were more associates. Because people don't want to buy bras, they want to wear them and say something is wrong with them so they get new ones.
Lots of women come into VS and expect associates to personal shop them...there is a difference between good client service and being a pers. shopper.
We have a lot of the same policies as any other retail store, if you buy a pair of jeans and wear them for a year do you return them because they are worn out?
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by retail Posted Wed September 27, 2006 @ 6:04 PM
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I work as a manager for the company, and all I can say is the top 2 reasons why we have damaged bras returned/exchanged are because people do not follow the washing instructions printed on the bra (and therefore it doesn't perform as it should or last as long as expected) or they're wearing the wrong size (as 75% of women are... and it's basically like wearing the wrong size shoe- they'll fall apart if you're wearing 2 sizes too small for your foot)... VERY rarely is there a manufacturer defect that causes a problem. So I don't think anyone asked you inappropriate questions, they're trying to prevent seeing you back in the store with two more broken bras in a few months.
As for the exchange- if you complied with letting them make sure that you were taking the correct size bras home this time it shouldn't have been a problem to do an even exchange without your reciept.
As for how you were dressed, I really hope that that didn't affect how they treated you, it wouldn't have in my store.
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by tickytack Posted Wed September 27, 2006 @ 9:26 AM
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"The next step was the associate suggesting I go to a fitting room and remove my shirt and bra so they could get a proper measure. No thanks, that is highly inappropriate."
I fail to see how it was inappropriate. It could have meant they'd see you were fitted correctly and accommodated your request for an exchange. On that, in my opinion, you were wrong.
As for the rest of your complaint, it seems very valid to me. As for how you were dressed, unfortunately, stores do look at that sort of thing (note I said it was unfortunate). I remember being followed around a local shop - at which I had bought many gifts in the past - and at which I had always been greeted politely by the owner. When, that is, I came in in work gear. On this particular day, shopping for a birthday gift on a Sunday afternoon stroll, I happened to have on sweatpants. Yep - I was followed around VERY closely and asked repeatedly "is there something you're looking for?" I left the store and won't go back (I couldn't have lodged a complaint; it was the store owner following me around).
Hopefully, you'll hear back from someone on this but I do, in all honesty, think you dropped the ball and impeded your own return when you failed to allow them to measure you. That is, after all, part of their job; there is nothing "inappropriate" about it.
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by xjrosie Posted Sun September 24, 2006 @ 7:29 AM
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You people are sick if you think customer service should be based on the way someone is dressed. I have been a store manager for a little over 7 years, and have worked in a retail store for over 9, and I would never even think of treating a customer based on what she wore in my store. I imagine if I did that, I wouldn't have as many clients in my store, and I especially wouldn't be on a first name basis with any of them. I wonder if anyone who works for Victoria's Secret can say they know even ONE person by their name.
It was HIGHLY inappropriate for them to only service me if they could measure me without a shirt or a bra on.
As for "worn bras"....the straps don't snap just because of looking at them in the bag. Don't be ignorant. I would have to wear them to sustain damage to them. Also, I wouldn't have complained, but the exact same style of bra broke in the exact same location on both bras. Coincidence? Doubt it.
I can tell none of you have ever had such a positive experience shopping that you could imagine an exchange without a receipt. That is the kind of place Victoria's Secret used to be. They stood behind their product. Out of the THOUSANDS of dollars I have spent in their store over the past 12+ years, only ONE other item (that I can think of) has been returned because of damage. Yes, I have had other returns because I ended up not liking them or because they didn't fit properly under the outfit(s) I intended them. How many other people can say this? In my drawers right now, I have roughly $900 in merchandise I BOUGHT at Victoria's Secret. I'm just one person. I know there are others who shop the same as I do - at the same 3-4 stores where I know everything fits.
Now, compound this with the $700 I spent two months ago at Express for myself (and the $100-$300 per month I spend adding things), the two kids I have who shop at Limited Too (you add 6 outfits per kid times two kids, at roughly $60 per outfit, for school clothes), the littleste kid who will be shopping at Limited Too in about two years, and I'm sure you'll see I'm a pretty loyal shopper.
Not sure why I'm responding, because your opinions do not matter to me. Maybe it's to show Limited Co. that one person can make a difference in sales, especially when word of mouth is the strongest form of advertising one can get, and I work in the retail industry, where a lot of my clients trust what I say to them. I'm also a single working mother of three who is active in the parent groups at school; tell me, do you think I have any influence on the people I see every day and whose kids come to my house? Maybe just a little, just like I respect what they tell me and do not shop or do business with companies who have treated them inappropriately.
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I've done yardwork all day. I take a shower and put on clean clothes before going to the store (unless I'm going to Home Depot or Menard's).
And there actually isn't much inappropriate about taking your shirt and bra off in order to be properly fitted for a bra--that's how it's done. However, VS is the LAST place I'd get it done. Department store lingerie departments, occasionally staffed by women with experience in bra fittings, would be a wiser choice.
And why would you exchange two apparently defective bras for the exact same thing ("I took them back to the store to exchange them for the exact same thing.")? Wouldn't you want to try a different model? The fact that two broke in the exact same place would tell me it was a fault model.
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by S. Brown Posted Thu September 21, 2006 @ 7:32 PM
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You thought you could just waltz in and exchange two worn bras without a receipt or any proof of how long you had been wearing them because you have been a "faithful client" of VS for over 12 years? I also think your statement "I would also like them to train their associates to have some manners when they work with the people who are supplying their paychecks" tells us how pleasant you were during this encounter. Rules are rules and they apply to everyone, including you. I know of no retailer, other than Nordstom, who will accept an item for return or exchange without a receipt.
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Agreed...
by Firebrat Tracy Fri September 22, 2006 @ 10:13 AM
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